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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. Nice failed attempt to lump everything together as the USA being the aggressor in each and every case. When excluding all the countries you listed that truly did not meet your "aggressor" standard, really what we're left with is two off your list. Haiti and Libya. And if we do a really big stretch, Libya falls off the list as well. Our actions in all the other you listed were the result of the aggressive actions of listed country and the USSR or muslim terrorists.

    And no, overall long term, war is not good for business. But it is a good thing we have a "war machine". If we didn't, we'd be dodging more bombs than we have. There is an old saying that applies to everyone (I don't know where it came from) and it is completely true. Here it is: "You may have no interest in war but it always has an interest in you". History proves that statement 100% correct.
    Explain the $600 billion USA Military Offense budget. It is more than the rest of the world's combined military budgets and we are less than 5% of the World's population. We've gone bankrupt spending $3 trillion on failed wars in the last decade and we were the aggressor/invader in every case. Morons is all I think. Easily deceived, media manipulated mental mind bending at its' finest and you are the star of the class, as far as I can tell. Your cerebral sponge sucks up everything so you don't have to see reality, eh?

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

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    Fascism and Corporatism are pretty much the same thing and I don't like the Corporatism here in the USA. "War is good business" is Corporatism and it is a boom business here in the USA. China is Communist and I don't hear your rant indicting China. I don't think anybody ever liked the Nazis. The Nazis were the last bad guy "ism" that I can recollect. All others are marketed and promoted for war profit and corporate resource acquisition. Like OIL in the ME. Pipeline routes. Shipping lanes. Normal, everyday CORPORATISM. Known as Fascism under Mussolini but just plain old Corporatism here in the USA.
    You appeared to go light on communism, easily use the term 'fascism' as a pejorative and feel the nazis were the last bad guy 'ism' that you can recollect.

    Of course fascism and 'corporatism', whatever that means, are not 'pretty much the same thing', which is probably why you don't invite comparison or offer examples. Why do you feel US corporations are worse than other corporations? I've traveled to a few countries and the locals always want to work for countries based in the democracies, including American.

    Maybe you aren't aware of "The Evil Empire" and their history of murder, through a variety of means, of well over 100,000,000 people, and destroying the lives of millions more.

    That anyone could claim that Nazism was the last bad guy 'ism' is truly shocking in this new world of immediate information. It's sad and pathetic and reflects very badly on recent educational systems.

    http://www.amazon.ca/product-reviews...owViewpoints=1

    https://archive.org/details/TheBlackBookofCommunism10

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

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    You appeared to go light on communism, easily use the term 'fascism' as a pejorative and feel the nazis were the last bad guy 'ism' that you can recollect.

    Of course fascism and 'corporatism', whatever that means, are not 'pretty much the same thing', which is probably why you don't invite comparison or offer examples. Why do you feel US corporations are worse than other corporations? I've traveled to a few countries and the locals always want to work for countries based in the democracies, including American.

    Maybe you aren't aware of "The Evil Empire" and their history of murder, through a variety of means, of well over 100,000,000 people, and destroying the lives of millions more.

    That anyone could claim that Nazism was the last bad guy 'ism' is truly shocking in this new world of immediate information. It's sad and pathetic and reflects very badly on recent educational systems.

    Amazon.ca: Customer Reviews: The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression

    https://archive.org/details/TheBlackBookofCommunism10
    SOUND FAMILIAR?

    CORPORATISM
    Corporatism
    "Fascism's theory of economic corporatism involved the management of sectors of the economy via government or privately controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, in theory, represent its professional concerns, especially through negotiation of labor contracts and the like. This approach, it was theorized, could result in harmony amongst social classes. Authors have noted, however, that de facto economic corporatism was used in specific instances of silencing opposition and rewarding political loyalty."

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Explain the $600 billion USA Military Offense budget.

    I can't, it doesn't exist.
    It is more than the rest of the world's combined military budgets and we are less than 5% of the World's population.
    Good thing it's us instead of China, Russia, North Korea......
    We've gone bankrupt spending $3 trillion on failed wars in the last decade and we were the aggressor/invader in every case.
    We've gone bankrupt but it's not because of Defense spending. Take a look at the budget over the last 50 years.
    Morons is all I think. Easily deceived, media manipulated mental mind bending at its' finest and you are the star of the class, as far as I can tell. Your cerebral sponge sucks up everything so you don't have to see reality, eh?
    I have no doubt you think like that. Next time though try harder and you'll see your name on your own list.
    My brain sucks up common sense and logic. Fairy tales and fantasy land have no room. Unlike the leftist brain.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    SOUND FAMILIAR?

    CORPORATISM
    Corporatism
    "Fascism's theory of economic corporatism involved the management of sectors of the economy via government or privately controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, in theory, represent its professional concerns, especially through negotiation of labor contracts and the like. This approach, it was theorized, could result in harmony amongst social classes. Authors have noted, however, that de facto economic corporatism was used in specific instances of silencing opposition and rewarding political loyalty."
    You've just described what Barrack Obama has been doing since he came to power.

    Did you familiarize yourself with Communism?

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    cor·poc·ra·cy kôr-pkr-see)
    n. pl.cor·poc·ra·cies
    1. A society dominated politically and economically by large corporations.

    2. An inefficient corporation characterized by excessive layers of management

    corpocracy - definition of corpocracy by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    not only do we have a burgeoning fed'l gov't, we are also the victim of plutocratic rule; wherebye the "1%'rs" have a huge share of the money,
    and leverage that power politically to protect their interests.

    we could cut the entanglement of defense contractors (General Dynamics, et all) to the Pentagon, the revolving door of lobbiests from gov't.
    I call it an 'incestuous relationship' in that the breeding is sub-par, and..well.. too close in familiarity.

    The Osprey was a case in point, but there are a zillion examples.

    when you have this huge military, you are tempted to use it.
    To get back to Vietnam the same mindset of the Cold War whereby we immediately conflated Vietnam
    with security threats in Eurpore, or our hemisphere; is being played out today.

    we like to meddle in world affair, and to do so, one needs a superior military. It becomes self -fufilling, a bigger military, for more meddling;
    more meddling requires a bigger ( or new weapon systems) - which is perpetual war mindset.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    not only do we have a burgeoning fed'l gov't, we are also the victim of plutocratic rule; wherebye the "1%'rs" have a huge share of the money,
    and leverage that power politically to protect their interests.

    we could cut the entanglement of defense contractors (General Dynamics, et all) to the Pentagon, the revolving door of lobbiests from gov't.
    I call it an 'incestuous relationship' in that the breeding is sub-par, and..well.. too close in familiarity.

    The Osprey was a case in point, but there are a zillion examples.

    when you have this huge military, you are tempted to use it.
    To get back to Vietnam the same mindset of the Cold War whereby we immediately conflated Vietnam
    with security threats in Eurpore, or our hemisphere; is being played out today.

    we like to meddle in world affair, and to do so, one needs a superior military. It becomes self -fufilling, a bigger military, for more meddling;
    more meddling requires a bigger ( or new weapon systems) - which is perpetual war mindset.
    Some good points and i believe it's true that the American taxpayer has been contributing too much to international security with the rest of the free world not contributing it's fair share. This is especially true in Europe.

    But because the US had fewer social programs they had the money to pay for these programs whereas now that they have Obamacare, and no doubt more government involvement in the formerly free market on the way, we will see the decline in military expenditures also, and of course the previous standards of living. This transition will need some adjustments for sure. Other countries, including Canada, are already adjusting to the possibility of a weak US economy but the democracies must also adjust to the fact that the US will become far less influential internationally also, and we can see that happening now.

    The sad fact is that the democracies must be prepared to protect themselves from various ideologies which blossom from time to time and the US has been doing much of 'the world's policing' on that front. A new order following the new reality should be discussed soon, if its not being done already. It seems that France is prepared to take on a leadership role among the world's democracies and often they've been very effective in working things out.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. Nice failed attempt to lump everything together as the USA being the aggressor in each and every case. When excluding all the countries you listed that truly did not meet your "aggressor" standard, really what we're left with is two off your list. Haiti and Libya. And if we do a really big stretch, Libya falls off the list as well. Our actions in all the other you listed were the result of the aggressive actions of listed country and the USSR or muslim terrorists.

    And no, overall long term, war is not good for business. But it is a good thing we have a "war machine". If we didn't, we'd be dodging more bombs than we have. There is an old saying that applies to everyone (I don't know where it came from) and it is completely true. Here it is: "You may have no interest in war but it always has an interest in you". History proves that statement 100% correct.
    Civil wars are not acts of aggression towards the USA.

    War is good for many businesses, especially the ones that support our politicians.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Civil wars are not acts of aggression towards the USA.
    Which civil wars did you have in mind?

    War is good for many businesses, especially the ones that support our politicians.
    Again, any specifics?

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which civil wars did you have in mind?



    Again, any specifics?
    I was trying to think of any countries civil war that we became involved in the fighting that did not contain any aggressive acts toward the US. So far I come up empty but maybe I have overlooked one. But I kind of doubt it.
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