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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is indeed, but Vietnam wasn't a war for the US to concern itself about.
    We thought it was in the frenzy of the cold war, and after Korea, but it really had no bearing on our hemisphere.
    The Cold War was international and world wide. There is no 'our hemisphere' during that period than there was in WWII.

    not recently. Not Syria -a regional proxty war, that we almsot stumbled into.
    Such is the danger of thinking the US always has a role to play -we don't
    I think the United States had a major role but they are rapidly losing power. Whether that is a good thing or not we don't yet know. It depends on whether the next power is as benevolent as its predecessors, Britain and the US.

    I don't know how else to have fought Afg. we picked the counterinsurgency strategy, similiar to waht we did in Vietnam -commonly called "nationbuilding"
    we cannot build outside societys, we can assist for a short term, but the danger becomes like Vietnam and Afganistan - long drawn out wars which leave those countries dependent on US forces to succeed.
    You explained the problem in the first sentence. You enter a war to defeat your opponents and that's it. Once they are totally and absolutely defeated then you assist on nation building. Neither Churchill nor FDR would have announced a 'withdrawal date' during WWII and yet we've come to accept that nonsense as normal.

    Cuba was much more relevant to the US, even there the Bay of Pigs was badly played, though JFK recovered nicely during the Cuban missile crisis.
    And yet Cuba remains communist with millions dead and yet still receiving support from many leftists. It's just amazing and depressing how little mankind has advanced when we still support that sort of thing.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We acquire resources for Corporate America and strategic geography for our military. Wake up.
    Just what "resources" did corporate America acquire from South Vietnam? Rubber? if we didn't get it from there. we'd get it from somewhere else which really is what we were doing anyway. We did acquire a bunch of refugees that were fleeing for their lives from the communists though. Do you place any value on them? To imply the Vietnam war was about corporate profits or influence for America is silly.

    What's wrong with entering partnerships with host countries for "strategic geography? A quick review on who and how we have been attacked should demonstrate the value. If not, a quick review on what the USSR was doing against us (Cuba for one) should demonstrate the value. If either of those won't convince you, look at what China has been doing for the last ten or fifteen years. Taking a peek at that realistically, would sober up a drunk man. The world has never been a safe place and it never will be a safe place.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Just what "resources" did corporate America acquire from South Vietnam? Rubber? if we didn't get it from there. we'd get it from somewhere else which really is what we were doing anyway. We did acquire a bunch of refugees that were fleeing for their lives from the communists though. Do you place any value on them? To imply the Vietnam war was about corporate profits or influence for America is silly.

    What's wrong with entering partnerships with host countries for "strategic geography? A quick review on who and how we have been attacked should demonstrate the value. If not, a quick review on what the USSR was doing against us (Cuba for one) should demonstrate the value. If either of those won't convince you, look at what China has been doing for the last ten or fifteen years. Taking a peek at that realistically, would sober up a drunk man. The world has never been a safe place and it never will be a safe place.
    Never a mention of Corporate Holland, Corporate Germany, Corporate Australia, Canada, Japan, Britain or China. It's just Onespeak. "Corporate America!"

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And, unable to defend your position you resort to insult. I had hoped for better. Regardless, I suggest you revisit the (fictional) case of Philip Nolan as described by Edward Everett Hale. There is no atonement for some crimes against country.
    I'm sorry you took that as an insult as I thought I was quite clear I was giving you a compliment. When I said that "asking the questions" in this case was perpetuating a lie, you seemed quite proud of this since you believe that truth was irrelevant compared to Jane Fonda receiving justice for her participation in the propaganda photo op. I took this to mean that you held your beliefs in such high regard that truth was irrelevant, and I was trying to communicate to you that I respect your convictions. So when I said, "We've now established that if you're the one saying it, we know it's not true," I did of course mean that you stayed true to your beliefs, and can expect you to hold true to them in this manner in the future.

    Unless you consider this insulting now? Because I wouldn't want you to feel insulted.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm sorry you took that as an insult as I thought I was quite clear I was giving a compliment. When I said that "asking the questions" in this case was perpetuating a lie, you seemed quite proud of this since you believe that truth was irrelevant compared to Jane Fonda receiving justice for her participation in the propaganda photo op. I took this to mean that you held your beliefs in such high regard that truth was irrelevant, and I was trying to communicate to you that I respect your convictions. So when I said, "We've now established that if you're the one saying it, we know it's not true," I did of course mean that you stayed true to your beliefs, and can expect you to hold true to them in this manner in the future.

    Unless you consider this insulting now? Because I wouldn't want you to feel insulted.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Just what "resources" did corporate America acquire from South Vietnam? Rubber? if we didn't get it from there. we'd get it from somewhere else which really is what we were doing anyway. We did acquire a bunch of refugees that were fleeing for their lives from the communists though. Do you place any value on them? To imply the Vietnam war was about corporate profits or influence for America is silly.

    What's wrong with entering partnerships with host countries for "strategic geography? A quick review on who and how we have been attacked should demonstrate the value. If not, a quick review on what the USSR was doing against us (Cuba for one) should demonstrate the value. If either of those won't convince you, look at what China has been doing for the last ten or fifteen years. Taking a peek at that realistically, would sober up a drunk man. The world has never been a safe place and it never will be a safe place.
    You're right. The World has not been safe against USA aggression from Granada, Vietnam, Korea, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Yemen, Chile, etc. and not one of those Nations attacked us. We attacked them. Afghanistan is partially justified because of OBL, but Omar asked for evidence that OBL was behind 9-11 and implied if we could prove that, then he would submit OBL to authorities. We've attacked lots of Nations. Full time war. Good for business, don't you think? You're right. The World is not a safe place. The War Machine is out to getcha.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You're right. The World has not been safe against USA aggression from Granada, Vietnam, Korea, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Yemen, Chile, etc. and not one of those Nations attacked us. We attacked them. Afghanistan is partially justified because of OBL, but Omar asked for evidence that OBL was behind 9-11 and implied if we could prove that, then he would submit OBL to authorities. We've attacked lots of Nations. Full time war. Good for business, don't you think? You're right. The World is not a safe place. The War Machine is out to getcha.
    Omar was lying.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Omar was lying.
    Where's the link to prove it?

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Where's the link to prove it?
    When he's captured he'll confess.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    When he's captured he'll confess.
    Sounds like an arrogance induced CIA fantasy. Jane Fonda would be mortified.

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