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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Some have chosen not to speak (thus far) and some passed away without going on record. I'm sure they have/had their reasons and those should obviously be respected. The question remains open.
    When nobody who was there actually supported the accusation, and all you have are people who in fact denied it, it's silly for the question itself to even exist anymore. A rational, non-biased person would just drop it at that point.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Thanks for the research, Annata, and we can see that the phrase predates Curtis LeMay.

    Although LeMay used the cliche if you read what he wanted to do it is no different than what went on it any other wars previous. His idea was to win, not to just make a statement. Now that sort of phrase is out of touch because as a people we have become more civilized and sensitive, We have also stopped winning wars,
    I would ask you how we win our current/recent wars, but not wanting to wander off topic too much.

    To stay on topic then, how could we have "won Vietnam?" It surely wasn't for lack of trying.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    When nobody who was there actually supported the accusation, and all you have are people who in fact denied it, it's silly for the question itself to even exist anymore. A rational, non-biased person would just drop it at that point.
    I'm just leaving the question open, like a million other questions.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm just leaving the question open, like a million other questions.
    No, that's really just entering that sleazy kind of territory where, when evidence doesn't exist, scandals are kept afloat by replacing accusations with questions. Example: "I'm not saying that you're mother's a whore, but isn't it interesting that she always has money? What? I'm just asking questions." It's a disgraceful thing to add to any discussion.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    The goal of the Vietnam anti war movement; whether it was the Weather Underground, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, or people who demonstrated
    was to END THE WAR.

    All the theatrics, spittings ,bombings (well not all the bombings, but most) or posing on AA guns like Fonda did had a singular purpose.
    To bring about a quicker end to the U.S. involvement in what was foreign civil war.

    Stated ideas like the "domino theory", or allance with SEATO, were delusional projections that if Vietnam "went Communist"
    it would somehow effect our national security. It did not effect us when Vietnam did go Communist. It was a false premise.

    It's important to recall that while Fonda was an easy target, and could be construed as "giving aid and comfort", I have never heard any coherent argument
    that shows exactly how all our efforts there were not doomed to futility.

    A lack of a viable path to 'winning Vietnam', means that the war was all for naugfht, and the moral stance was to abort it A.S.A.P.
    What Fonda and those who opposed the war understood.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, that's really just entering that sleazy kind of territory where, when evidence doesn't exist, scandals are kept afloat by replacing accusations with questions. Example: "I'm not saying that you're mother's a whore, but isn't it interesting that she always has money? What? I'm just asking questions." It's a disgraceful thing to add to any discussion.
    She brought it on herself. No one is under any obligation to clean up a reputation she soiled herself. Her own actions make the question credible.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Fair enough, but I still feel that the way she behaved was bordering on treason. She was definitely not considered "friendly" by most of the troops I believe.
    But there are those many photos of her smiling and all cuddly on the VietNamese anti-aircraft gun.
    That was so special ... so endearing.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    She brought it on herself. No one is under any obligation to clean up a reputation she soiled herself. Her own actions make the question credible.
    No one who knowingly perpetuates lies has the right to criticize another person's reputation or credibility. Anyone who does has abandoned all principles.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    But there are those many photos of her smiling and all cuddly on the VietNamese anti-aircraft gun.
    That was so special ... so endearing.
    So...................So........

    words fail me! I think our vets say it best, anyway, and they speak for most of us!

    G' Aternoon bubba! Got your flag proudly flying?

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No one who knowingly perpetuates lies has the right to criticize another person's reputation or credibility. Anyone who does has abandoned all principles.
    Man oh man is that ever appropriate these days.

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