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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    A strong legal case based on law and fact can be made for that statement being correct. One of many reasons Fonda was never indicted.

    The good intentions of the participants in a war are not relevant, it is the results of their acts that matter.
    A lawyer can make a case for anything. It doesn't matter if it can hold up or not. In the case of the Vietnam war being "illegal", that would have been tossed pretty quick. The US would have used at least one of many legal justifications for doing what we did and won.
    It would have been nice to see her try that line in her defense knowing she would soon have a noose around her neck.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    One point of view that seems credible, is that Nixon planned to use nukes on Viet Nam, or at least threaten to do so. The big anti-war March on Washington convinced him that the public would not stomach nuke use and that's when he started winding down the war. Short of a nuke-use or equivalent destruction and death, we could not have won in Viet Nam for the same reasons we can't win in Iraq and Afghanistan, our opposition had too much popular support.
    News flash.

    Nukes were considered in the Korean War, Vietnam and Gulf War I. They have to be considered as they are weapons we have. But the conclusion will always be the same unless attacked with them, No.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who was this (actual quote from back then) from?

    There was a lot of anti American propaganda going around at that time. still is in fact, so unless you can actually give the name of the person who was in a position of authority who gave the quote, you should dismiss it.
    The quote is usually attributed to Curtis LeMay, the scowling Air Force general who incinerated two thirds of Japan’s cities in World War II and was disappointed when Kennedy wouldn’t let him do the same to Cuba.
    In his 1968 memoir he suggested that rather than negotiating with Hanoi, the United States should “bomb them back to the stone age,” by taking out factories, harbors, and bridges “until we have destroyed every work of man in North Vietnam.”

    LeMay, however, had cribbed it from a June 1967 column by humorist Art Buchwald, who used the phrase to caricature the Goldwater Republican attitude toward Vietnam. The 1964 “Daisy Girl” ad had already tarred Republicans as inveterate bombers, but the joke came from Buchwald’s association of bombing with time travel - See more at: History News Network | Bomb them Back to the Stone Age: An Etymology
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No she didn't. Those POWs themselves said that story was fake.
    well THAT is news to me. I got the story from guys who were in-country. If I'm wrong, so be it. But she's still the scum of the earth.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No she didn't. Those POWs themselves said that story was fake.
    Only two of her alleged victims were interviewed and denied the story. Others either could not be located, declined to talk or had died. The allegation remains open.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Would that be the 2nd class citizens the leftists spit upon?

    There are many things we can be angry about but on this thread its Hanoi Jane Fonda.
    You can be all the angry you want at Jane Fonda, for me she is non enity in the whole scheme of things. I just feel that Agent Orange harmed more servicemen than Hanoi Jane ever did.

    As for the spitting thing. I flew into airports in uniform in the early 70's and never seen any of that. To me it just felt as people just ignored us unlike today where people are really thankful and decent to servicemen they meet in airports. Am certain it happened in isolated events but to me that would be like going up to an unchained Doberman and slapping it.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is and easy one........they are buddies with Obama.....Qualifications mean nothing.
    I guess you don't have to be much of a conspirator theorist to recognize that. The same goes for his crony capitalist friends. Almost $8 trillion lost during his watch and nothing to show for it.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I heard once that she gave notes that the prisoners gave her for their families to the enemy too. I don't know how much truth there is to that.
    That story is mostly discredited.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    That story is mostly discredited.
    Mostly?

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    The quote is usually attributed to Curtis LeMay, the scowling Air Force general who incinerated two thirds of Japan’s cities in World War II and was disappointed when Kennedy wouldn’t let him do the same to Cuba.
    In his 1968 memoir he suggested that rather than negotiating with Hanoi, the United States should “bomb them back to the stone age,” by taking out factories, harbors, and bridges “until we have destroyed every work of man in North Vietnam.”

    LeMay, however, had cribbed it from a June 1967 column by humorist Art Buchwald, who used the phrase to caricature the Goldwater Republican attitude toward Vietnam. The 1964 “Daisy Girl” ad had already tarred Republicans as inveterate bombers, but the joke came from Buchwald’s association of bombing with time travel - See more at: History News Network | Bomb them Back to the Stone Age: An Etymology
    Thanks for the research, Annata, and we can see that the phrase predates Curtis LeMay.

    Although LeMay used the cliche if you read what he wanted to do it is no different than what went on it any other wars previous. His idea was to win, not to just make a statement. Now that sort of phrase is out of touch because as a people we have become more civilized and sensitive, We have also stopped winning wars,

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