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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I never had animosity for those who had the balls to go do a job that they could end up losing their life over. Spitters weren't isolated. Isolated suggests that it only happened a few times in a few small cases. I think a YouTube search shows that it happened plenty.
    thanks I'll check it out. Spitting was the least of the vets problems, however.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    thanks I'll check it out. Spitting was the least of the vets problems, however.
    Being betrayed by your own people must come very high on the list though. Some of them never recovered from that experience, and no one, to my knowledge, has ever apologized for that ugly behavior. The people they were fighting, the communists, were never spat upon, despite their killing of millions of people.

    Hanoi Jane would have considered it too rude to spit on Communists or Socialists but it was acceptable for her fellow Americans to be treated that way.

    For Leftists, politics always comes before people.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Either way they are subversive.
    True, leftists try to subvert the goals of the right wingers, and the right wing tries to subvert the goals of the left wingers.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Sure.

    Here's another from the link of her words: ""To the U.S. servicemen who are stationed on the aircraft carriers in the Gulf of Tonkin, those of you who load the bombs on the planes should know that those weapons are illegal. And the use of those bombs or condoning the use of those bombs, makes one a war criminal."

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    She should have been hung or shot within days of her returning from Vietnam.
    A strong legal case based on law and fact can be made for that statement being correct. One of many reasons Fonda was never indicted.

    The good intentions of the participants in a war are not relevant, it is the results of their acts that matter.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Tricky Dick ran in '68 on he had a secret plan to end the war Vietnam, it was a lie. In the end 58,000 of our soldiers died and apparently that's not enough for some people on the Right.
    One point of view that seems credible, is that Nixon planned to use nukes on Viet Nam, or at least threaten to do so. The big anti-war March on Washington convinced him that the public would not stomach nuke use and that's when he started winding down the war. Short of a nuke-use or equivalent destruction and death, we could not have won in Viet Nam for the same reasons we can't win in Iraq and Afghanistan, our opposition had too much popular support.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    True, leftists try to subvert the goals of the right wingers, and the right wing tries to subvert the goals of the left wingers.
    The 'middle' doesn't seem to exist for the left. You are with them, right wing, or extreme right wing. Most leftists probably didn't give this much thought, but Saul Alinsky did.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    One point of view that seems credible, is that Nixon planned to use nukes on Viet Nam, or at least threaten to do so. The big anti-war March on Washington convinced him that the public would not stomach nuke use and that's when he started winding down the war. Short of a nuke-use or equivalent destruction and death, we could not have won in Viet Nam for the same reasons we can't win in Iraq and Afghanistan, our opposition had too much popular support.
    Right. American wars have become political debates while the enemy is able to use any device at hand and is never critical of itself. Some think this appeasement and self loathing is a winning strategy but it doesn't seem to be going that way.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    I believe if there is some threat so severe to our national security (same standard as self defense or SYG on a personal level) we have to do to war over it, it should be balls to the wall, pull out the stops, switch over the factories, kick ass and take names and whatever else you want from the country, then come home and give the next country that wants to threaten our security something to contemplate when they think about pulling some stuff. We dont, it is our fault. Neither the Repubs or the Dems really wage a war. I truly think we do it the way we do to fuel the military industrial complex.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Right. American wars have become political debates while the enemy is able to use any device at hand and is never critical of itself. Some think this appeasement and self loathing is a winning strategy but it doesn't seem to be going that way.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I believe if there is some threat so severe to our national security (same standard as self defense or SYG on a personal level) we have to do to war over it, it should be balls to the wall, pull out the stops, switch over the factories, kick ass and take names and whatever else you want from the country, then come home and give the next country that wants to threaten our security something to contemplate when they think about pulling some stuff. We dont, it is our fault. Neither the Repubs or the Dems really wage a war. I truly think we do it the way we do to fuel the military industrial complex.
    The left certainly doesn't support the United States in time of war. If they did as you described there'd be a lot fewer wars, fewer threats and more democracies. But only 'extremists' in the democracies would support those positions. The anti democracies are fine with them.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    What brought on this anger about Jane Fonda. She was the typical rich spoiled kid acting like an ass but as shown in earlier post some of you have really twisted things to maker your point but so be it.

    Just where is your god damn anger at how we subjected our men to Agent Orange and now some 40 years later are still treating those affected like 2nd class citizens.

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