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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Vietnam vets will never accept and apology from this woman. She should be charged and tried as a traitor to this country......what she said and did is inexcusable May she rot in hell..

    America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' | Fox News
    Rotting in Hell seems an archaic punishment, but I would say that I find it disconcerting to be represented by a women that would make such statements about the Vietnam imbroglio.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Rotting in Hell seems an archaic punishment, but I would say that I find it disconcerting to be represented by a women that would make such statements about the Vietnam imbroglio.
    Obama's appointments have not enjoyed much success. You have to wonder what their qualifications might be.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Funny how you didn't provide any opposing view so people could make up their minds on how to feel about it.
    Fair enough.

    Here's something I just found that should be more than enough to really piss people off and cement their impression of her assuming they were on the fence.

    OUTRAGEOUS! Jane Fonda Wears ‘Hanoi Jane’ T-Shirt to Plug Nancy Reagan Movie (Photo) | The Gateway Pundit

    Hanoi Jane Fonda Activist Black T Shirt

    Why she'd wear the T-shirt to an interview for her upcoming movie debut where she is cast in the role of Nancy Reagan is beyond me. But there you go. No further words are necessary.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, you haven't -- you've been on some irrelevant bender about "precedent." Precedent does not apply. Only facts. And yes, in my opinion, the facts fit the elements.
    Precedent was just one example of a legal source I would have accepted that would codify her actions as fitting the definition of "giving aid and comfort." I would have accepted rulings, specific laws...anything but opinions. But yes, you're certainly entitled to your opinion that her actions were applicable to treason if you like. I can't imagine anyone suggesting otherwise.

    But anyway, it will certainly only be a matter of time before her actions as pertaining to treason do in fact become codified and then, well, that will be that I guess.

    Feel free to post some more emoticons of smiley faces knocking their heads against brick walls. I can handle it.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Precedent was just one example of a legal source I would have accepted that would codify her actions as fitting the definition of "giving aid and comfort." I would have accepted rulings, specific laws...anything but opinions. But yes, you're certainly entitled to your opinion that her actions were applicable to treason if you like. I can't imagine anyone suggesting otherwise.

    But anyway, it will certainly only be a matter of time before her actions as pertaining to treason do in fact become codified and then, well, that will be that I guess.

    Feel free to post some more emoticons of smiley faces knocking their heads against brick walls. I can handle it.
    You obviously don't get how a prosecution works.

    The prosecutor establishes the facts and then argues how the elements of the crime have been satisfied by the facts.

    The jury then decides if they agree. That's it. The fact pattern does not need to be "codified." (Though the way you use it, I'm not sure you know what "codified" means.)

    No one -- NO ONE -- cites "precedent." PRECEDENT DOES NOT MATTER.

    That you do not get this is baffling.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In principle, she's no different than a Southern slave owner.
    How do you make that connection?
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Fair enough.

    Here's something I just found that should be more than enough to really piss people off and cement their impression of her assuming they were on the fence.

    OUTRAGEOUS! Jane Fonda Wears ‘Hanoi Jane’ T-Shirt to Plug Nancy Reagan Movie (Photo) | The Gateway Pundit

    Hanoi Jane Fonda Activist Black T Shirt

    Why she'd wear the T-shirt to an interview for her upcoming movie debut where she is cast in the role of Nancy Reagan is beyond me. But there you go. No further words are necessary.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You obviously don't get how a prosecution works.

    The prosecutor establishes the facts and then argues how the elements of the crime have been satisfied by the facts.

    The jury then decides if they agree. That's it. The fact pattern does not need to be "codified." (Though the way you use it, I'm not sure you know what "codified" means.)

    No one -- NO ONE -- cites "precedent." PRECEDENT DOES NOT MATTER.

    That you do not get this is baffling.
    That you don't get, after several repetitions now, that precedent is not the only source I would have accepted is even more baffling, but if it amuses you please feel free to post "precedent does not matter" in bold face, underlined and italicized, and be sure to make the font even larger. As for presenting "the facts," the prosecution would present them, and then there would be a ruling as to whether her actions in this case fit the definition of treason.

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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That you don't get, after several repetitions now, that precedent is not the only source I would have accepted is even more baffling, but if it amuses you please feel free to post "precedent does not matter" in bold face, underlined and italicized, and be sure to make the font even larger.
    No, one way or the other, you're demanding to see that someone else determined the facts fit the crime. Any way you slice it, you still want "precedent."


    As for presenting "the facts," the prosecution would present them, and then there would be a ruling as to whether her actions in this case fit the definition of treason.
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    Re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You obviously don't get how a prosecution works.

    The prosecutor establishes the facts and then argues how the elements of the crime have been satisfied by the facts.

    The jury then decides if they agree. That's it. The fact pattern does not need to be "codified." (Though the way you use it, I'm not sure you know what "codified" means.)

    No one -- NO ONE -- cites "precedent." PRECEDENT DOES NOT MATTER.

    That you do not get this is baffling.
    I'm curious then, in your opinion how does Jane Fonda's anti-Vietnam war activism amount to treason against the U.S. government? I'm asking because from what little I know of "Hanoi Jane's" actions, it would appear that all she did was spout off against the Vietnam War, try to bring awareness to the atrocities allegedly committed by our troops (i.e., allegations of "baby killers" and unauthorized mass slaughter) and inform the American public about the secret war plots the Nixon Administration tried to keep under wraps. How does any of that amount to treason? I mean, if that's all it takes then wouldn't you think Edward Snowden should be convicted of espionage at worse, treason at best? What did she do against her government that much different from what he has done?

    I'm just trying to understand how others see things, i.e., if it's personal or if there is any real evidence to support charges of treason.
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