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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I think Carter was a good man (senile now though) When it came to being the president he was clueless just like Obama.
    I think if he had not shot his mouth off slighting other, on the other side, presidents...yeah, I used to think he was a nice guy, down deep too...

    Then I saw his taking of big contributions to his library [ and really, who knows what else, if anything?] from somewhat radical Muslims and then, wonder of wonders, all of a sudden starts slamming the Israelies... the Israelis have their bad side, we all do, but Carter has only become rather meaner and more and more nasty from my distillation of the the guy.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If your best response to my statements was "that's silly" and some question about why I didn't mention other presidents, of course we won't be seeing eye to eye. I didn't mention FDR, Turman or LBJ because with the exception of LBJ, Truman and FDR had little to do with the military side of the Vietnam war. They kept us removed from that theater and let the French solve their own mess. When the French ****ed off like surrender monkeys, the US took an attitude of "we can't let communism make money off these guys!" - The US' relations with former European colonies has been one of economic interest. We have never cared about the freedom of people in those countries as long as we can make a buck off them.

    I'm perfectly fine with that. It made my country great. Just don't try to sell the bull**** that we honestly gave a **** about a few 3rd world peasants.
    Aw, but FDR and Truman made decisions that would have long lasting influence on later events in Vietnam. In fact, had Truman acted on American economic interests alone he just as easily and more profitably for America, not supported the French. But that shoots a hole in your McDonalds theory so I won't be expecting you to agree.
    Now this: "When the French ****ed off like surrender monkeys, the US took an attitude of "we can't let communism make money off these guys!". Nowhere have I ever read anything like that except in your post. Maybe you can provide a reliable government source for such a policy or statement from government officials?
    The US and any and every other country has economic interests with all other countries. War or peace. How or why would Vietnam be the exception?
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oh.

    **** this, I'm out of here.
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    That had to sting.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    I think if he had not shot his mouth off slighting other, on the other side, presidents...yeah, I used to think he was a nice guy, down deep too...

    Then I saw his taking of big contributions to his library [ and really, who knows what else, if anything?] from somewhat radical Muslims and then, wonder of wonders, all of a sudden starts slamming the Israelies... the Israelis have their bad side, we all do, but Carter has only become rather meaner and more and more nasty from my distillation of the the guy.
    There was a time when EX presidents kept their mouth shut about the job the guy who took their job.............Have you ever heard GWB criticize Obama? Common courtesy.......Carter put that tradition aside big time and all Obama does is blame everything bad on Bush.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There was a time when EX presidents kept their mouth shut about the job the guy who took their job.............Have you ever heard GWB criticize Obama? Common courtesy.......Carter put that tradition aside big time and all Obama does is blame everything bad on Bush.
    Bush has mostly kept quiet, but Asshole Cheney certainly hasn't.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Bush has mostly kept quiet, but Asshole Cheney certainly hasn't.
    So what? "Asshole" Obama hasn't quit blaming Bush for everything he makes worse.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sorry homie, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim you're pro-freedom and then back a dictatorship which does everything but support freedom. You can't say you "rebuilt" a democracy, after having supported a dictatorship. You can't even claim "well, our dictatorships weren't as bad" and then say that others were. You can't play victim and say "Well! They did it too!"

    So, your weasel like attitude about the Cold War aside, my point is basically this: Both the US and the USSR were camps of economic influence. Nothing more nothing less. Both benefited by supporting dictatorships at the cost of millions of people enslaved by either pro-USSR or pro-US dictatorships. The entire Cold War, right vs. wrong mentality is dependent on which side of the field you're on. The rest of us see it as being about two powers seeking to benefit economically from other nations and not giving one ounce of a **** about "freedoms".
    Gosh, Man, I am so so sorry, I was totally unaware that there were some guidelines that say somewhere, apparently, that you get to establish a prohibition against me telling the situation as it actually is, not how “we” [read: you] would "want" or like it to be.

    Diopter problems perhaps? Cogency complications?

    Wrong. So truly utterly bewilderingly wrong.

    You most certainly can do exactly that. Hell, we did it. Plain for anybody, any simpleton included, or at least ones that come without ideological blinders, to see. I mean, from every single aspect I can readily think of you are wrong. Who told you… or more to the point, why are you trying to tell me that I, we, cannot look at some dictatorships as being worse than others? Mao's was worse than Stalin's which was worse than Hitler’s which was worse than Pol Pot's all of which were way way worse than Franco or Marcos [ you mentioned the Aquinos, didn’t say which one so assume both, but I would presume you might actually have been talking the Marcos, but doesn’t really matter as neither were near as bad as any of those lefty regimes mentioned ].

    If your premise were to be played out to the end, we didn’t start off perfect, and if we cannot even attempt a transition from our imperfection, then we are not allowed, by your calculus, to even improve on an ongoing basis? To evolve, to “progress”?

    Too bad, thank goodness we don't always listen to y'all, cause we have already done it.

    So, might that be just plain stupid talk, by any slim chance?

    And, no way….nooooo way. There is actually [ again, noooooo way ] actually an economic aspect to this? OMG, I just realized for the very first time, ever, in my life, since I was born, wowwww… economics is in EVERYTHING. So, I guess It might be pretty easy to weave an economic aspect in there, eh… since it really cannot be absent no matter what? Yeah, so what, we could not be other than two economic camps, especially since both systems are different, both are ecomomic [ communism combining political and economic ]... so again, what is your major point other than the absolute obvious?

    What is funny is that your side wants to hold our side to this white glove standard and you know there will be dust and dirt there when you touch the real world. Your side, the left, has swept an unbelievably large pile, a bulbous billowing barge load, under the rug...that does not even come close to hiding it to those of us who look even slightly in that direction.

    And yanno, I really admire you folks that put yourselves out there, defend the indefensible with such a stoic straight face…. Wait, sorry, now I cannot really say that with a straight face…


    The bottom line is, most everything that comes from the left causes more misery. Don’t blame me, I am just the messenger. Below that bottom line is this… your side never seems to see what your side does so wrong, deadly wrong, but you see every blemish on ours… and, more importantly, you like to sacrifice good and better on the altar of perfection… and we already know what kind of talk that is.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    So what? "Asshole" Obama hasn't quit blaming Bush for everything he makes worse.
    When is the last time Obama even mentioned Bush's name? Geez, give it a rest.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There was a time when EX presidents kept their mouth shut about the job the guy who took their job.............Have you ever heard GWB criticize Obama? Common courtesy.......Carter put that tradition aside big time and all Obama does is blame everything bad on Bush.
    You got that right... I am hoping you will rethink your view on "good" ol Jimmy then.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    When is the last time Obama even mentioned Bush's name? Geez, give it a rest.
    OMG, you are joking right? Oh, He tried it, but everybody knows, even him, that its laughable now...when you are in your second term, you can only really blame the administration before you, and that is now Obama... so we see there is no real resolution to his problem. I was wondering how he is gonna blame GW for Obamadon'tcare tho? And you know you cannot say he didn't do that his first time, hell, it was incessant.

    Guess this is a case for WWAS....What Would Alinsky Say, eh?
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