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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They wanted the communists to win all the wars, including the propaganda wars. I know of no conflict since Vietnam where the leftists sided with their own country.
    Progs have been at it for the last 100 years - anyone remember Tokyo Roses'?

    Progs have hated their freedom since day one, however ironically invoke it to progress their opinions (which they want as law)....

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Yeah yeah yeah, I know names like "Franco" and "Park" too... by the way, what great things did they do, what was their worldwide impact? Come on now, jump in any time... they were not obscure... why? Maybe some particularly dog-eared section of the Zinn half-history, that being the half being for the most part inaccurate?

    My god, I sure hope such idiotic blindness that you seem to propose that all the rest of us should "see"... I hope it is not contagious. What do you not get about how many people died, were tortured, were "relocated" and "reeducated", enslaved by our opponents in this Cold War that you think was just some corporate game? You think that folks in South Korea would not have rather lived under the US umbrella of protection? You think Franco's Spain was worse than, well, I'll let you choose, which ones of the Soviet Union and its satellites would you have rather lived? Or maybe in Red China? To think there is even a comparison is, to be charitable, in the particularly misguided mumblings manner of a hoodwinked ideologue.
    Sorry homie, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim you're pro-freedom and then back a dictatorship which does everything but support freedom. You can't say you "rebuilt" a democracy, after having supported a dictatorship. You can't even claim "well, our dictatorships weren't as bad" and then say that others were. You can't play victim and say "Well! They did it too!"

    So, your weasel like attitude about the Cold War aside, my point is basically this: Both the US and the USSR were camps of economic influence. Nothing more nothing less. Both benefited by supporting dictatorships at the cost of millions of people enslaved by either pro-USSR or pro-US dictatorships. The entire Cold War, right vs. wrong mentality is dependent on which side of the field you're on. The rest of us see it as being about two powers seeking to benefit economically from other nations and not giving one ounce of a **** about "freedoms".
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Sorry homie, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim you're pro-freedom and then back a dictatorship which does everything but support freedom. You can't say you "rebuilt" a democracy, after having supported a dictatorship. You can't even claim "well, our dictatorships weren't as bad" and then say that others were. You can't play victim and say "Well! They did it too!"

    So, your weasel like attitude about the Cold War aside, my point is basically this: Both the US and the USSR were camps of economic influence. Nothing more nothing less. Both benefited by supporting dictatorships at the cost of millions of people enslaved by either pro-USSR or pro-US dictatorships. The entire Cold War, right vs. wrong mentality is dependent on which side of the field you're on. The rest of us see it as being about two powers seeking to benefit economically from other nations and not giving one ounce of a **** about "freedoms".
    You're wasting your time. The right will never understand anything other than the childlike narrative that we're the good guys and everyone else are the bad guys. We're the heroes and they're the scumbags. The concept that there is good and bad in every ideology, country, race, belief systems, is way over their head.

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You apparently were thinking that the US could only support benevolent dictators during the Cold War while the communists could support anyone they chose.
    Sure, hey Grant:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey
    The Russians didn't care about "freedom" either. They cared about trade and pro-USSR governments even if it came at the cost of millions dying.
    Hope you don't get your independent glasses get in the way of making up ****.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She's a treasonous whore. I hope I out liver her sorry ass, so I can piss on her grave.

    I don't expect people who are Communist sympathizers to see anything wrong with her conduct.
    So you're saying those POWs are lying? Ok. You have a right to that opinion.

    But when somebody comes out with a story naming particular POWs being supposedly ratted out by Fonda, and those very POWs say it never happened, I tend to believe them. Feel free to continue calling them liars, though. You have that right.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Care to explain since the Big Mac didn't come out until 68.

    That's all I thought about when eating Lima Beans and Mother ##### for 13 months, eating a Big Mac.
    LOL. You have to ask Hatuey. He's the one with the silly claim that the Golden Arches is what the war was about.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you're saying those POWs are lying? Ok. You have a right to that opinion.

    But when somebody comes out with a story naming particular POWs being supposedly ratted out by Fonda, and those very POWs say it never happened, I tend to believe them. Feel free to continue calling them liars, though. You have that right.


    You need to start backing up your ridiculous posts............who are these so called POWs that don't exist? Post a link to their statements that back up your lies.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    If she had stayed home and protested nobody would still be giving her crap about it.

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    How about all those amnestees? And Carter only pretends to be a good man, apparently fools some, not most.

    I think you just don't understand people who may be a bit more clever than you. No need for anybody to be a hater of this side for that, tho.
    I think Carter was a good man (senile now though) When it came to being the president he was clueless just like Obama.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    If she had stayed home and protested nobody would still be giving her crap about it.
    There is a huge difference.
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