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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I love how you "very liberal" people believe you're better than everyone else... Classy people.
    Oh, please. Like the "very conservative" posters are angels.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    In what alternate universe is Hatuey claiming you don't have the right to hold your opinions? You have the right to hold your opinions; Hatuey has the right to tell you that you're wrong.
    Hang around a bit and see why...

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Hang around a bit and see why...
    This doesn't make any sense.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Oh, please. Like the "very conservative" posters are angels.
    Yeah right.....

    As a Libetarian or real Lib I promote none of that RINO nonsense..

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    This doesn't make any sense.
    How does it NOT make sense - it's blunt and simple and proving my point.

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    No "very liberal" person wants to admit to the savagery and failures of communism.

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Come on SMTA, are you going to deny that the anti-war movement in America didn't prolong America's involvement in the Vietnam war ?

    And Jane Fonda like the "New Left" weren't against the Vietnam war. They were against the United States winning in Vietnam. Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, the SDS, Weather Underground, Communist Party USA were all on the side of North Vietnam, they wanted the communist to win that war.
    They wanted the communists to win all the wars, including the propaganda wars. I know of no conflict since Vietnam where the leftists sided with their own country.

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This democracy?

    Park Chung-hee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    No, this [now ] democracy...as, if I remember correctly, I put it. South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Yep... sounds just like a democracy we helped "rebuild". Well...one has to wonder aloud, "Is South Korea a democracy now... or not?"

    Yes...no? Yes it is.

    What about its neighbor to the North, huh? Better or worse? The one the US didn't back. On average a foot shorter than their southern cousins. I guess with a socialist mentality, perhaps its better to be smaller, thinner, less healthy, tortured or dead, is it?




    Who said we installed them? We backed dictators. Here's a famous one:

    Francisco Franco - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Franco was around before we ever started backing Europeans...so, what exactly is your point? Does your side even really have one? You cake and eat it, too, folks. How is it that, in dealing with the world as we find it, we, the US, always end up being the bad guys? You have some better way perhaps? No, liberals have a silly utopian vision that is, well, one of the more juvenile, yet extremely dangerous, views of the world.





    The same thing we wanted in the Philippines by supporting the Aquinos - pro-US governments that wouldn't have an issue selling cheap resources to the US. Again, the Cold War was about money. The Russians didn't care about "freedom" either. They cared about trade and pro-USSR governments even if it came at the cost of millions dying.

    Know any government or country that is not pro-itself do you? Where are all these angels in power that you are dreaming of, eh? Would not last very long. Most get over such youthful visions after middle school, especially if they get some solid history instruction in high school...but then some revert to such silliness in college, where taught to view America from a one sided, left leaning, rah! rah! plodding obliviousness to the actualities of a real, not a dreamed of, world.

    How is the Philippines doing, anyhow? Anything like North Korea? Have they prospered at all with the evil influence of the US constantly over their shoulder?




    I already have. Your nearly illiterate understanding of cold war politics is shinning through. Now, I know names like "Franco" and "Park" sound "obscure" to somebody who has never even taken a course in basic Cold War politics, but it's really hard to argue that "Vietnamese freedom" was important when we couldn't have cared less about the other 100-300 million people living under US backed dictatorships. Again, that you don't know them - doesn't mean they weren't there. Then again, I can't blame you for not knowing them. You actually believe the Cold War was about morality.
    Yeah yeah yeah, I know names like "Franco" and "Park" too... by the way, what great things did they do, what was their worldwide impact? Come on now, jump in any time... they were not obscure... why? Maybe some particularly dog-eared section of the Zinn half-history, that being the half being for the most part inaccurate?

    My god, I sure hope such idiotic blindness that you seem to propose that all the rest of us should "see"... I hope it is not contagious. What do you not get about how many people died, were tortured, were "relocated" and "reeducated", enslaved by our opponents in this Cold War that you think was just some corporate game? You think that folks in South Korea would not have rather lived under the US umbrella of protection? You think Franco's Spain was worse than, well, I'll let you choose, which ones of the Soviet Union and its satellites would you have rather lived? Or maybe in Red China? To think there is even a comparison is, to be charitable, in the particularly misguided mumblings manner of a hoodwinked ideologue.
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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Pretty much. Can you name some of the US backed dictators from the same period? I can: Mobutu, Barre, Banda, Eyadema, Boigny, El-Sadat, Smith, Selassie, Tubman, Franco, Oliviera, Osorio, Duvalier. That's just off the top of my head. The premise that we "cared" about the "freedom" of the Vietnamese people is absolutely ignorant. We cared about them having a pro-US government willing to sell off its country to the biggest game in town. We didn't care about them being free. To claim the opposite in the face of the evidence available is ridiculous. We supported dictators. We allowed them to massacre their own people as long as US companies had access to resources.
    This another great example of the Leftists being against their own democracy and on the side of Communists.

    You apparently were thinking that the US could only support benevolent dictators during the Cold War while the communists could support anyone they chose. Perhaps that's why you never mentioned any communist dictatorships, despite their being an abundance. The criticisms only go in one direction, and that is against America , its people, and those who want freedom..

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    re: America's top UN diplomat has high praise for 'Hanoi Jane' [W:306]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Navy Pride believes whatever the right wing hate mongers tell him, and he's not likely to believe any POW that says differently.
    Perhaps you can provide some evidence of this and who these 'right wing hate mongers' are. Otherwise why not pass on this ad hominem BS.

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