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LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

1.) already did unless you are claiming transgenders and gender dysphoria doesnt exist. lol

2.) nope not what i claimed ever,this never happened but please continue to sell this lie maybe somebody will believe you one day
this is awesome! please dont stop

fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists
let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it

As a medical abnormality which they many are working to cure. Or maybe you think babies being born addicted to crack should be considered normal also. Basing a claim upon an abnormality does not disprove previous statements. But then again, since one of the cures for such conditions also has the side affect of curing homosexuality in females, then I can see why you would want to ignore such facts.
 
As a medical abnormality which they many are working to cure. Or maybe you think babies being born addicted to crack should be considered normal also. Basing a claim upon an abnormality does not disprove previous statements. But then again, since one of the cures for such conditions also has the side affect of curing homosexuality in females, then I can see why you would want to ignore such facts.

still dodging the questions is see, why cant you man up and answer them?

you are free to have any non medical, non factual, opinions you like but they are meaningless to facts. I love watching you try to fight a losing battle when facts defeat and destroy your posts. All the spinning, lies, reframing and moving the goal posts you do and it still results in a complete lose to facts and failure of your post. TOO FUNNY!!! please keep going!

fact is his statement was wrong
fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists :shrug:

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it
 
1.) already did unless you are claiming transgenders and gender dysphoria doesnt exist. lol

2.) nope not what i claimed ever,this never happened but please continue to sell this lie maybe somebody will believe you one day
this is awesome! please dont stop

fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists
let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it

And no, it doesn't disprove any previous statement because those statements did not mention children born with both sexes sexual organs, which are called Hermaphrodites btw, and not called male or female until after gender assignment surgery.
 
And no, it doesn't disprove any previous statement because those statements did not mention children born with both sexes sexual organs, which are called Hermaphrodites btw, and not called male or female until after gender assignment surgery.

neither did i lol

once again you are showing how severely uneducated you are about this topic

still dodging the questions is see, why cant you man up and answer them?
facts destroy your post again

fact is his statement was wrong
fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it
 
neither did i lol

once again you are showing how severely uneducated you are about this topic

still dodging the questions is see, why cant you man up and answer them?
facts destroy your post again

fact is his statement was wrong
fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it

Since once again your communication is unclear, I am going to ask this time. What is incorrect and I am uneducated about?

Yes, they do exist, in peoples heads. Genetics determines sex. If a persons body matches their genetics, then that is normal. Otherwise, they suffer from some abnormality or psychosis.
 
1.) Since once again your communication is unclear, I am going to ask this time. What is incorrect and I am uneducated about?

2.) Yes, they do exist
3.) in peoples heads.

4.) Genetics determines sex.

5.) If a persons body matches their genetics, then that is normal. Otherwise, they suffer from some abnormality or psychosis.

BOOM! still dodging the question, thats right run . . . run from them because they further exposes you

nothing unclear about it, you think his comments were right, that is false, you brought up Hermaphrodites which is meaningless to the context of the discussion lol

3.) and there it is this is all that is needed to make his statement false, thanks for proving it
4.) in factual reality

5.) yes enetics determines sex organs but there is nothing that says they determine sexual/gender idenity which further shows you have no clue about what is being discussed when it comes to transgender and gender dysphoria, thank you for proving this point also

6.) also meaningless to what is actually being discussed lol, thank you again for proving how very severely uneducated you are about this topic.

the original factually wrong statement was this

"There is no individual in this world that has full "junk" that has an excuse to believe their "junk" is wrong..."

tell me what this has to do with genetics determining sex organs? thats right nothing

fact is his statement was wrong
fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it
 
BOOM! still dodging the question, thats right run . . . run from them because they further exposes you

nothing unclear about it, you think his comments were right, that is false, you brought up Hermaphrodites which is meaningless to the context of the discussion lol

3.) and there it is this is all that is needed to make his statement false, thanks for proving it
4.) in factual reality

5.) yes enetics determines sex organs but there is nothing that says they determine sexual/gender idenity which further shows you have no clue about what is being discussed when it comes to transgender and gender dysphoria, thank you for proving this point also

6.) also meaningless to what is actually being discussed lol, thank you again for proving how very severely uneducated you are about this topic.

the original factually wrong statement was this

"There is no individual in this world that has full "junk" that has an excuse to believe their "junk" is wrong..."

tell me what this has to do with genetics determining sex organs? thats right nothing

fact is his statement was wrong
fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it

Wow, all that before you finally say what you think is wrong. If genetics says you are supposed to have "junk", then yeah, you're supposed to have "junk". Duh. Genetics trumps malfunctioning brain everyday.
 
Wow, all that before you finally say what you think is wrong. If genetics says you are supposed to have "junk", then yeah, you're supposed to have "junk". Duh. Genetics trumps malfunctioning brain everyday.

look another post that further proves you have no clue what you are tlkaing about when it comes to the topic

nothin has changed, you are still wrong and you are still dodging my questions because they further expose you lol

fact is his statement was wrong
fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it
 
look another post that further proves you have no clue what you are tlkaing about when it comes to the topic

nothin has changed, you are still wrong and you are still dodging my questions because they further expose you lol

fact is his statement was wrong
fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it

So your argument is that those conditions are provable as normal? Prove it. Show a single study that follows the scientific method that proves it.
 
1.)So your argument is that those conditions are provable as normal?
2.) Prove it. Show a single study that follows the scientific method that proves it.

1.) lol and there it is more spinning, moving of the goal post, deflections etc
NEVER once mentioned normal or even presented any arguments

i simply pointed out FACTS and proved his statement was factually wrong

2.) dont have to and dont even know what exactly you are asking cause its meaningless deflections from your getting your posts destroyed, its GRRRREAT entertainment though

keep trying your posts are just gonna keep losing though, it becomes more and more evidence each time you deflect and dodge my questions. whan you gonna even try to answer those btw? lol

I can keep pointing out the facts all day, its fun

fact is his statement was wrong
fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it
 
1.) lol and there it is more spinning, moving of the goal post, deflections etc
NEVER once mentioned normal or even presented any arguments

i simply pointed out FACTS and proved his statement was factually wrong

2.) dont have to and dont even know what exactly you are asking cause its meaningless deflections from your getting your posts destroyed, its GRRRREAT entertainment though

keep trying your posts are just gonna keep losing though, it becomes more and more evidence each time you deflect and dodge my questions. whan you gonna even try to answer those btw? lol

I can keep pointing out the facts all day, its fun

fact is his statement was wrong
fact is transgenders and gender dysphoria exists

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it

Abnormalities do not prove normalcies wrong. Normalcies prove that the abnormalities are abnormal. Law should not be made based upon abnormalities.

Also, all you have shown is the possibility that his statements were incomplete, not wrong. If anything, you have helped prove him correct and if his statement is incorrect in a situation, that incorrectness proves mental imbalance. Mental imbalance and abnormalities would be a causal factor, not an excuse.

ex·cuse
verb
3rd person present: excuses
ikˈskyo͞oz/

1.
attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify.
"he did nothing to hide or excuse Jacob's cruelty"
synonyms: justify, defend, condone, vindicate; More
forgive, overlook, disregard, ignore, tolerate, sanction
"such conduct can never be excused"
antonyms: condemn
forgive (someone) for a fault or offense.
"you must excuse my sister"
synonyms: forgive, pardon, absolve, exonerate, acquit; More
informallet someone off (the hook);
formalexculpate
"eventually she excused him"
antonyms: punish, blame
overlook or forgive (a fault or offense).
"sit down—excuse the mess"
(of a fact or circumstance) serve in mitigation of (a person or act).
"his ability excuses most of his faults"
2.
release (someone) from a duty or requirement.
"it will not be possible to excuse you from jury duty"
synonyms: let off, release, relieve, exempt, absolve, free More
"she has been excused from her duties"
(used in polite formulas) allow (someone) to leave a room or gathering.
"now, if you'll excuse us, we have to be getting along"
say politely that one is leaving.
(used esp. by school pupils) be allowed to leave the room, esp. to go to the bathroom.
"please, can I be excused?"

noun
plural noun: excuses
ikˈskyo͞os/

1.
a reason or explanation put forward to defend or justify a fault or offense.
"there can be no possible excuse for any further delay"
synonyms: justification, defense, reason, explanation, mitigating circumstances, mitigation, vindication More
"that's no excuse for stealing"
a reason put forward to conceal the real reason for an action; a pretext.
"they use their hunting as an excuse to get away from the womenfolk"
synonyms: pretext, ostensible reason, pretense; More
informalstory, alibi
"an excuse to get away"
2.
informal
a poor or inadequate example of.
"that pathetic excuse for a man!"
synonyms: travesty of, poor specimen of; More

From google.

cause
kôz/
noun
noun: cause; plural noun: causes

1.
a person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, or condition.
"the cause of the accident is not clear"
synonyms: source, root, origin, beginning(s), starting point; More
mainspring, base, basis, foundation, fountainhead;
originator, author, creator, producer, agent
"the cause of the fire"
antonyms: effect, result
reasonable grounds for doing, thinking, or feeling something.
"Faye's condition had given no cause for concern"
synonyms: reason, grounds, justification, call, need, necessity, occasion; More
excuse, pretext
"there is no cause for alarm"
2.
a principle, aim, or movement that, because of a deep commitment, one is prepared to defend or advocate.
"she devoted her life to the cause of deaf people"
synonyms: principle, ideal, belief, conviction; More
object, end, aim, objective, purpose, mission;
charity
"the cause of human rights"
3.
a matter to be resolved in a court of law.
an individual's case offered at law.
synonyms: case, suit, lawsuit, action, dispute More
"he went to plead his cause"

verb
verb: cause; 3rd person present: causes; past tense: caused; past participle: caused; gerund or present participle: causing

1.
make (something, typically something bad) happen.
"this disease can cause blindness"
synonyms: bring about, give rise to, lead to, result in, create, produce, generate, engender, spawn, bring on, precipitate, prompt, provoke, trigger, make happen, induce, inspire, promote, foster; More
literarybeget, enkindle
"this disease can cause blindness"
antonyms: result from

Origin
More
Middle English: from Old French, from Latin causa (noun), causare (verb).

see the difference?
 
Abnormalities do not prove normalcies wrong. Normalcies prove that the abnormalities are abnormal. Law should not be made based upon abnormalities.

Also, all you have shown is the possibility that his statements were incomplete, not wrong. If anything, you have helped prove him correct and if his statement is incorrect in a situation, that incorrectness proves mental imbalance. Mental imbalance and abnormalities would be a causal factor, not an excuse.

ex·cuse
verb
3rd person present: excuses
ikˈskyo͞oz/

1.
attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify.
"he did nothing to hide or excuse Jacob's cruelty"
synonyms: justify, defend, condone, vindicate; More
forgive, overlook, disregard, ignore, tolerate, sanction
"such conduct can never be excused"
antonyms: condemn
forgive (someone) for a fault or offense.
"you must excuse my sister"
synonyms: forgive, pardon, absolve, exonerate, acquit; More
informallet someone off (the hook);
formalexculpate
"eventually she excused him"
antonyms: punish, blame
overlook or forgive (a fault or offense).
"sit down—excuse the mess"
(of a fact or circumstance) serve in mitigation of (a person or act).
"his ability excuses most of his faults"
2.
release (someone) from a duty or requirement.
"it will not be possible to excuse you from jury duty"
synonyms: let off, release, relieve, exempt, absolve, free More
"she has been excused from her duties"
(used in polite formulas) allow (someone) to leave a room or gathering.
"now, if you'll excuse us, we have to be getting along"
say politely that one is leaving.
(used esp. by school pupils) be allowed to leave the room, esp. to go to the bathroom.
"please, can I be excused?"

noun
plural noun: excuses
ikˈskyo͞os/

1.
a reason or explanation put forward to defend or justify a fault or offense.
"there can be no possible excuse for any further delay"
synonyms: justification, defense, reason, explanation, mitigating circumstances, mitigation, vindication More
"that's no excuse for stealing"
a reason put forward to conceal the real reason for an action; a pretext.
"they use their hunting as an excuse to get away from the womenfolk"
synonyms: pretext, ostensible reason, pretense; More
informalstory, alibi
"an excuse to get away"
2.
informal
a poor or inadequate example of.
"that pathetic excuse for a man!"
synonyms: travesty of, poor specimen of; More

From google.

cause
kôz/
noun
noun: cause; plural noun: causes

1.
a person or thing that gives rise to an action, phenomenon, or condition.
"the cause of the accident is not clear"
synonyms: source, root, origin, beginning(s), starting point; More
mainspring, base, basis, foundation, fountainhead;
originator, author, creator, producer, agent
"the cause of the fire"
antonyms: effect, result
reasonable grounds for doing, thinking, or feeling something.
"Faye's condition had given no cause for concern"
synonyms: reason, grounds, justification, call, need, necessity, occasion; More
excuse, pretext
"there is no cause for alarm"
2.
a principle, aim, or movement that, because of a deep commitment, one is prepared to defend or advocate.
"she devoted her life to the cause of deaf people"
synonyms: principle, ideal, belief, conviction; More
object, end, aim, objective, purpose, mission;
charity
"the cause of human rights"
3.
a matter to be resolved in a court of law.
an individual's case offered at law.
synonyms: case, suit, lawsuit, action, dispute More
"he went to plead his cause"

verb
verb: cause; 3rd person present: causes; past tense: caused; past participle: caused; gerund or present participle: causing

1.
make (something, typically something bad) happen.
"this disease can cause blindness"
synonyms: bring about, give rise to, lead to, result in, create, produce, generate, engender, spawn, bring on, precipitate, prompt, provoke, trigger, make happen, induce, inspire, promote, foster; More
literarybeget, enkindle
"this disease can cause blindness"
antonyms: result from

Origin
More
Middle English: from Old French, from Latin causa (noun), causare (verb).

see the difference?

you must be in the wrong thread cause none of that matters to anything being discussed, its halarious that you think it does though and you went through all that trouble to still be factually wrong.

Facts
his statement was wrong
transgenders and gender dysphoria exists
you keep dodging the questions

thanks for playing your post loses again to facts

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it
 
you must be in the wrong thread cause none of that matters to anything being discussed, its halarious that you think it does though and you went through all that trouble to still be factually wrong.

Facts
his statement was wrong
transgenders and gender dysphoria exists
you keep dodging the questions

thanks for playing your post loses again to facts

let us know when those facts change, id love to read about it

You 2 please stop for a moment, while I go get some more pop corn. :mrgreen:
 
You 2 please stop for a moment, while I go get some more pop corn. :mrgreen:

lol niiiiice

dont you love when people argue agaisnt facts, i know its one of my favorites

what type of popcorn? i like this mmmmmmmmmovie butter
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I'm not taking either side. I'm just watching the show. LOL.

thats fine by me, only one of us is using facts though, ill give you a hint, theres an A in his name

but more importantly you didnt answer the popcorn and butter question :)
 
Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

Agreed. In the vast majority of circumstances, they shouldn't be. People also shouldn't be mean to each other, or lie.


Oh. And they also shouldn't try to use the coercive power of the state on each other when they find out that life isn't always fair.

So you support removing those protections for religion? Because life isn't always fair and someone may want to fire theists.
 
Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

Good, YOU don't. When conservatives as a whole work to remove protections THEY want (i.e. protections of being Christian, etc.) then we'll talk. Until then, there's you, (which no offense) means jack **** as a whole. So no, I don't buy your schtick and will fully support adding LGBT to the list until the majority of conservatives work to remove ALL protections. Then we can talk.

99% of Republicans aren't really trying to do anything. They had complete majority for 4 years and did absolutely nothing to reverse previous actions by the left.

The only two apparent constants in US politics is that the Reps won't do **** and the Dems will always do something stupid.
 
Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

So you support removing those protections for religion? Because life isn't always fair and someone may want to fire theists.

:shrug: sure, as far as association is concerned. The government can't do it, but a private enterprise should be free to hire and fire whom they please.
 
You see - you agree to a point - not 100%....

There is no individual in this world that has full "junk" that has an excuse to believe their "junk" is wrong...

Correct, I agree to a point but I do support your right to express your opinion 100%.
 
Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

I don't.

It is said that during the reign of Genghis Khan, a virgin with a chest of gold could move freely without guards or fear of being molested. The day after he died, virgins and gold were once again guarded.

The point being that while you can force compliance with a behavior, such force does not change human behavior. We have had anti-discrimination laws for over 50 years now and we still "need" them because despite forcing compliance, we have not actually changed anything about human behavior. It is my believe that not only are these many prejudices not ended, but are increased by the animosity and hatred of being forced to behave in a particular manor.

In the former Yugoslavia, Serbs, Muslims and others were forced to behave and not act upon their prejudices for over 50 years. The first thing they did once the force forcing the behavior upon them disappeared, the different groups went into genocidal frenzies against each other. No prejudices were ended. No change was made in human behavior.

Forced compliance simply does not work and we should not be pursuing more forced compliance but removing it and seeking other means to end prejudice.

Your example seems to prove to me that the protections were needed, not pointless.
 
As a medical abnormality which they many are working to cure. Or maybe you think babies being born addicted to crack should be considered normal also. Basing a claim upon an abnormality does not disprove previous statements. But then again, since one of the cures for such conditions also has the side affect of curing homosexuality in females, then I can see why you would want to ignore such facts.

What cure? I am speaking for myself now. As long as my dysphoria is cured I dont care how it is cured. I tried therapy and church for over 30 years to get rid of my thoughts but they didnt work. Now I am trying transition.
 
Wow, all that before you finally say what you think is wrong. If genetics says you are supposed to have "junk", then yeah, you're supposed to have "junk". Duh. Genetics trumps malfunctioning brain everyday.

All I care about is the cure, not what is supposed to trump what.
 
Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

While I have no doubt you are telling the truth, your situation is just one. There is fraud in many cases regarding almost anything whether it be dealing with right or left views.

Unless you are preprared to say that absolutely no gay people have been fired for being gay, then I'm not sure what your ONE situation has to do with anything.

People that are LGBT should not be fired just because they are that. I don't think Christians should be fired just because they are Christian even though I don't agree with their "lifestyle" fully.

I know you won't agree with this but I believe a private business has the right to hire or fire whomever it wants PERIOD
 
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