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LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

Navy Pride said:
The problem is it will be abused. employees who are fired because of incompetence will claim they were fired because they are gay. No one should be fired because of their sexuality but and employer should have the right to fire or hire someone as needed.....
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This is a legitimate concern, but the same applies to antidiscrimination laws in general. Somebody fired because of incompetence can raise a lot of stink claiming that they were fired for being black, or female, or Hare Krishna. Gays need protection from discrimination as much as other groups - why should they be left out?
 
clownboy said:
No, discrimination lawsuits don't work like that.
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Sorry but I have seen it happen.......just the threat forced and employer to keep and individual who was incompetent but said it was because he was gay.....The employer did not want the law suit so he kept the guy on......It was not even law.
 
Henrin said:
1.)Oh right, because I can just not open a business of my choosing without following laws that violate my rights.
2.) Thanks for the advice.
3.) I like how I'm supposed to restrict my liberty, so my rights aren't violated by the state.
4.) Great advice.
5.) Thanks.
6.) Got any other brilliant arguments?
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1.) no you are free to open it you just simply must play by the same rules as everybody else not break the law and violate real rights. Your FACTUALY rights are intact just like everybody elses. Your opinion of rights being violated is meaningless.
2.) your welcome, I like to point out facts and common sense for people
3.) has nothgin to so with "you" again thhis is part ofd your fantasies, opinions and philosophies and not part of reality and facts.
4.) I know the vast majority understand that you cant break the law and violate rights
5.) again, you are welcome, always glad when i can help out no matter how blatantley obvious the reality and facts are
6.) well following common sense and not breaking the law is smart, not sure its brilliant thats giving it to much credit

as far as "arguments" i havent presented any "arguments" just pointed out the facts that disagree with your OPINIONS and PHILOSOPHIES

the solution to you problem is easy, dont break the law and violate the rights of others

hope that works out for you

again if not and you CHOOSE to break the law lets us know so we can read about it and laugh
 
Henrin said:
No, you don't. Your so called right declaration is in violation of my rights. You do not have the right to enter my propertyy, you do not have the right to service, and you damn well do not have the right to employment. I have the right to ignore your ass, throw you off my property, the right decide not to hire you, and finally the right to fire you for any reason I damn well please. It's my property, and my service you are dealing with. You have no rights on the table. Get off my property.
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The law disagrees with you. If you run a business, you should not have the right to deny service to someone based on their race, gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. Those are the laws that you agree to when opening a business.
 
Navy Pride said:
Sorry but I have seen it happen.......just the threat forced and employer to keep and individual who was incompetent but said it was because he was gay.....The employer did not want the law suit so he kept the guy on......It was not even law.
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That very last bit tells the whole story. HR departments are like actuaries, they do risk assessment. The passage of this won't affect that either way.
 
clownboy said:
If you don't like the Constitution, want nine robed judges to rule instead
2.), you can go to Iran
3.) or just stay here as the transformation completes.
4.) The framers of our Constitution had no problem whatsoever with Herin's right to steer the course of his own business.
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1.) i love the constitution but that a nice failed strawman though
2.) no i like it here i like that the government is protecting rights so im the happy one its you that would seem to be happy in Russia where discrimination and bigotry is encouraged.
3.) yes like i said ill stay here since equality is winning and bigotry and discimination is losing
4.) some of them had no problem with slavery either so what, all meaningless to the facts, laws and rights just like herins OPINIONS, thats what makes it so funny
 
Your Star said:
The law disagrees with you. If you run a business, you should not have the right to deny service to someone based on their race, gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. Those are the laws that you agree to when opening a business.
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You've added a couple that are not federal, but state additions.
 
Navy Pride said:
If this bill is approved in HOR all you have to say is I am gay whether you are or not to get a job or if you are fired..
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Bull****. That's like saying all you have to say is "I'm Christian" whether you are or not to get a job or if you are fired. Same thing.

It must really suck you can't force the gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaays back in the closet.
 
Your Star said:
The law disagrees with you. If you run a business, you should not have the right to deny service to someone based on their race, gender identity, sexual orientation, etc. Those are the laws that you agree to when opening a business.
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ding ding ding ding

AGREE to and CHOOSE to follow or not
 
AGENT J said:
1.) i love the constitution but that a nice failed strawman though
2.) no i like it here i like that the government is protecting rights so im the happy one its you that would seem to be happy in Russia where discrimination and bigotry is encouraged.
3.) yes like i said ill stay here since equality is winning and bigotry and discimination is losing
4.) some of them had no problem with slavery either so what, all meaningless to the facts, laws and rights just like herins OPINIONS, thats what makes it so funny
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Perhaps in list town your rights derive from laws, but here in the US they come from the Constitution. The Constitution is all about structuring the government and protecting the people from the government (not a surprise considering the motivation for splitting off in the first place). NOT to protect the people from each other. That's what law does, and laws are not immutable and can change with the season.

I understand, you're more than willing to sacrifice liberty for your pet causes, you've made that abundantly clear.
 
danarhea said:
That didn't work out too well with those pesky black people, did it?
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You mean the people that were trespassing on private property and refused to leave when ordered to do so.
 
AGENT J said:
ding ding ding ding

AGREE to and CHOOSE to follow or not
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Do you even realize how stupid it is to make the argument that I should limit my liberty so the state doesn't violate my rights?
 
clownboy said:
Perhaps in list town your rights derive from laws, but here in the US they come from the Constitution. The Constitution is all about structuring the government and protecting the people from the government (not a surprise considering the motivation for splitting off in the first place). NOT to protect the people from each other. That's what law does, and laws are not immutable and can change with the season.

I understand, you're more than willing to sacrifice liberty for your pet causes, you've made that abundantly clear.
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no liberty is sacrificed and i have no pet causes here, another failed hilarious desperate straw man lol

you seem to be under the opinion that i care about opinions a and philosophies or that they matter when facts, rights and laws are being discussed . . i do not
 
Henrin said:
Why address it? The bill is a violation of human rights. It deserves to be ignored.
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An intelligent argument could be made that ALL anti-discrimination laws violate freedom of association. It is much harder to argue that gays should be left out, while Jews, Pacific Islanders and women are "covered".
 
Henrin said:
Do you even realize how stupid it is to make the argument that I should limit my liberty so the state doesn't violate my rights?
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do you even realize how stupid it is to make up and post lies and strawmen like you just did? LOL

please tell me another lie and made up strawman i cant wait!
 
Deuce said:
You seem to be confusing America with a direct democracy. We're a representative democracy, also called a republic.
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Is that really the best you got? The state goes against the wishes and rights of the people for almost fifty years and all you have to defend them is that it's a republic? Is your argument supposed to sound like a bad joke?
 
AGENT J said:
no liberty is sacrificed and i have no pet causes here, another failed hilarious desperate straw man lol

you seem to be under the opinion that i care about opinions a and philosophies or that they matter when facts, rights and laws are being discussed . . i do not
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You've made your opinions and philosophies very clear here for all to see.
 
AGENT J said:
do you even realize how stupid it is to make up and post lies and strawmen like you just did? LOL

please tell me another lie and made up strawman i cant wait!
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No, it's not a strawman or a lie. You're advising me to not go into business so that the state doesn't violate my rights. Your argument is down right retarded.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) no you are free to open it you just simply must play by the same rules as everybody else not break the law and violate real rights. Your FACTUALY rights are intact just like everybody elses. Your opinion of rights being violated is meaningless.
2.) your welcome, I like to point out facts and common sense for people
3.) has nothgin to so with "you" again thhis is part ofd your fantasies, opinions and philosophies and not part of reality and facts.
4.) I know the vast majority understand that you cant break the law and violate rights
5.) again, you are welcome, always glad when i can help out no matter how blatantley obvious the reality and facts are
6.) well following common sense and not breaking the law is smart, not sure its brilliant thats giving it to much credit

as far as "arguments" i havent presented any "arguments" just pointed out the facts that disagree with your OPINIONS and PHILOSOPHIES

the solution to you problem is easy, dont break the law and violate the rights of others

hope that works out for you

again if not and you CHOOSE to break the law lets us know so we can read about it and laugh
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I'm not about to do this splitting up my posts into numbers **** with you. Learn to reply to posts correctly.
 
clownboy said:
You've made your opinions and philosophies very clear here for all to see.
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i havent posted any opinions and philosophies you lose to facts again.
 
Henrin said:
No, it's not a strawman or a lie. You're advising me to not go into business so that the state doesn't violate my rights. Your argument is down right retarded.
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You're correct in the first, AgentJ labels everything that's not his opinions (which he confuses with fact) as a strawman or lie. That's just his way of avoiding anything that breaks his cherished beliefs. However, the state is empowered by the Constitution to set the rules on your business. It's the feds who are not.
 
AGENT J said:
no liberty is sacrificed
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Well, let's be fair here. People are being forced to associate with someone they would rather stay away from - that's not exactly a triumph of liberty.

I just don't understand what's the reasoning behind: some people should be allowed to benefit from an arguably unjust law, but not other.
 
Henrin said:
1.)No, it's not a strawman or a lie.
2.) You're advising me to not go into business so that the state doesn't violate my rights.
3.)Your argument is down right retarded.
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1.) yes it factually is and the thread already proves. if you disagree please post where i said that, oh thats right you cant because i didnt because its a lie you posted
2.) 100% false and a lie, just like i said thank you for proving it! again please post where i siad this, again i simply didnt
3.) i havent presented any argument only stated facts but yes i agree the argument you lied about and made up in your head is absolutely mentally retarded just like the failed opinions and philosophies you have been posting.

Im sorry facts, laws rights and reality upset you so much but that's your issue to deal with and i already gave you the solution. Dont break the law. Yes its brilliant i know. :)

i said if you dont like peoples rights and the law simply dont break it :) your post fails again
 
AGENT J said:
i havent posted any opinions and philosophies you lose to facts again.
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Again, everything you've posted is there for all to see and you're not fooling anyone (except maybe yourself). That's all you've posted.
 
Verax said:
Ya know, I understand your point about personal liberty and rights. Why should another rightfully force you to do anything that is your own business? However that only works in a perfect world. Your rights end where another person's begins.
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Don't lecture me on human rights progressive. Until I see a progressive that understand rights, in which I haven't yet, I will not accept any lecturing from them on the subject. They have no rights on the table and I do. There is no conflict of rights taking place. Learn about the subject before you speak of it.

How fair is it to a gay person in a small conservative town who can't get a job, or keep a job, etc., because everyone targets them, runs them out of town? A little compromise can defuse this situation into something that is reasonable for both parties. If you want to fire someone, do it for a good reason, being gay is not a good reason.
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That has no effect on my rights and I have no reason to compromise.
 
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