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LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

ecofarm said:
I bet a gay person works with you.
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Is that all you have? I don't really care if they are gay or not. I have the right to deny access, service or employment to anyone I damn well please for any damn reason I want to chose. No one will convince me otherwise.
 
It won't pass here in Oregon for the same reason pot legalization hasn't thus far - it's not a big problem in employment here. All the major employers in the state have long since added that to their HR policies. The antis are highly motivated to defeat it and the pros are not that motivated to pass it. Plus, even the liberals here buy into our non-official state motto - We're nothing like California, and that's a good thing!
 
Henrin said:
No, I will not. I tried of tyrants thinking they have the high ground. They have nothing.
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Ya know, I understand your point about personal liberty and rights. Why should another rightfully force you to do anything that is your own business? However that only works in a perfect world. Your rights end where another person's begins. How fair is it to a gay person in a small conservative town who can't get a job, or keep a job, etc., because everyone targets them, runs them out of town? A little compromise can defuse this situation into something that is reasonable for both parties. If you want to fire someone, do it for a good reason, being gay is not a good reason.

Don't tell me this doesn't happen either. I grew up in a small town and I saw all kinds of... tyranny.
 
Henrin said:
Is that all you have? I don't really care if they are gay or not. I have the right to deny access, service or employment to anyone I damn well please for any damn reason I want to chose. No one will convince me otherwise.
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Democracy has resulted in a legal situation you disagree with. :shrug:
 
Henrin said:
No, it just makes it so you can't deny someone for that reason. Guess what? I have the right to do that. It's my business, my property, my resources, and my mother****ing call on who I will associate with, how long I will do, and for what reason I do so. I don't care if people think my right is fair. They have no right to be on my property, to get my service, to force me to associate with them, or to be employed.
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This is where I hesitate on this law... I support it to a point and it is about time it was addressed...

HOWEVER, I agree with you on this part. If it is a PRIVATELY held company. I can understand it. You can hire and fire at your leisure. Your company, your risk, your call.

However, if it is a corporation, it should be a different story. Then, it is not just one person's call.
 
Henrin said:
Except that by definition something that violates the rights of people can not in turn be a right.
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yes im well of aware of what your OPINION is but facts, reality and the law disagree with you.
You've stated your opinions and philosophy many times but they are meaningless and have failed endlessly.

In your opinion the current laws violate rights well many many court cases, pieces of legislation, facts, reality, defined rights/laws and much court precedence disagree with you opinion and render it meaningless.

You support discrimination and want to empower it and bigots, I do not, i support equal rights and stopping discrimination.

Good luck trying to sell your opinion to people though.
 
Henrin said:
No, it just makes it so you can't deny someone for that reason. Guess what? I have the right to do that. It's my business, my property, my resources, and my mother****ing call on who I will associate with, how long I will do, and for what reason I do so. I don't care if people think my right is fair. They have no right to be on my property, to get my service, to force me to associate with them, or to be employed.
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so funny!
reality and facts disagree and say you dont
dont like it, use common sense and dont open a public access business

nobody is forcing you
 
danarhea said:
NOTE: Don't have a link for this yet. Vote just passed the 50 vote threshold in the Senate. Will post a link as soon as one becomes available.

It is only right that a person's private life is no damn business of the government, nor the business of whoever employs that person.

EDIT: Final vote was 64-32.

EDIT2. Got the link. Article is here.

Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill
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The Speaker hates it...next.
 
Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

CRUE CAB said:
Name some people that were fired for being gay.
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I hope your not suggesting people arent fired for being gay because that would simply expose the fact that you are severely dishonest or severely uneducated about this topic.

are all gay people fired for being gay? of course not
are some gay people fired simply because they are bad employees? of course
are some gay people fired simply for being gay, absolutely, thats just reality and the facts lol
 
Henrin said:
No, it just makes it so you can't deny someone for that reason. Guess what? I have the right to do that. It's my business, my property, my resources, and my mother****ing call on who I will associate with, how long I will do, and for what reason I do so. I don't care if people think my right is fair. They have no right to be on my property, to get my service, to force me to associate with them, or to be employed.
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Yes we do.
 
Your Star said:
Yes we do.
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But you shouldn't, and it was never intended to work this way except with federal services and those businesses with functional monopolies. To be clear, I've never personally advocated or not hired someone because of their race, color, creed, gender or whom they choose to have sex with.
 
clownboy said:
But you shouldn't, and it was never intended to work this way except with federal services and those businesses with functional monopolies. To be clear, I've never personally advocated or not hired someone because of their race, color, creed, gender or whom they choose to have sex with.
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Yes we should.
 
Your Star said:
Yes we do.
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No, you don't. Your so called right declaration is in violation of my rights. You do not have the right to enter my propertyy, you do not have the right to service, and you damn well do not have the right to employment. I have the right to ignore your ass, throw you off my property, the right decide not to hire you, and finally the right to fire you for any reason I damn well please. It's my property, and my service you are dealing with. You have no rights on the table. Get off my property.
 
Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

Your Star said:
Very good news, too bad the house is a bunch of children and don't live in the real world where people can be fired for being in the LGBT spectrum and just pretend it is already against federal law. Sucks that they suck so much that something as wonderful and as liberating as this won't even make it to their floor.
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It's a bait bill put together by Reid for political hay. He knew it wouldn't go anywhere from the start. It's a tactic to get eyes off Obamacare. Good luck with that.
 
Your Star said:
Yes we should.
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Do, maybe. Should, no. Same goes for me, I've been turned down from many a business in my lifetime, both for service and employment. Even some times because I am male, sometimes because I am white as a coal miner.
 
Henrin said:
No, you don't. Your so called right declaration is in violation of my rights. You do not have the right to enter my propertyy, you do not have the right to service, and you damn well do not have the right to employment. I have the right to ignore your ass, throw you off my property, the right decide not to hire you, and finally the right to fire you for any reason I damn well please. It's my property, and my service you are dealing with. You have no rights on the table. Get off my property.
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If you dont like peoples rights, the law and the rules that public access buisness plays by then dont open one, nobody is forcing you, basic common sense

if you think your opinions/philosophies are more important the law, rights and facts simply open that type of business, break the law and see what happens.

ALso let us know so we can read the story and laugh.
 
Deuce said:
Democracy has resulted in a legal situation you disagree with. :shrug:
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Democracy did what? I'm sorry, but what was the public support of the 1964 bill when it passed? What did people think of public accommodations in 1964? For that matter, what do people think of them today? Here is a hint: You are not the majority and never were. Stop thinking you are.
 
clownboy said:
Do, maybe. Should, no. Same goes for me, I've been turned down from many a business in my lifetime, both for service and employment. Even some times because I am male, sometimes because I am white as a coal miner.
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If this bill is approved in HOR all you have to say is I am gay whether you are or not to get a job or if you are fired..
 
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AGENT J said:
If you dont like peoples rights, the law and the rules that public access buisness plays by then dont open one, nobody is forcing you, basic common sense
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Oh right, because I can just not open a business of my choosing without following laws that violate my rights. Thanks for the advice. I like how I'm supposed to restrict my liberty, so my rights aren't violated by the state. Great advice. Thanks. Got any other brilliant arguments?
 
AGENT J said:
If you dont like peoples rights, the law and the rules that public access buisness plays by then dont open one, nobody is forcing you, basic common sense

if you think your opinions/philosophies are more important the law, rights and facts simply open that type of business, break the law and see what happens.

ALso let us know so we can read the story and laugh.
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If you don't like the Constitution, want nine robed judges to rule instead, you can go to Iran, or just stay here as the transformation completes. The framers of our Constitution had no problem whatsoever with Herin's right to steer the course of his own business.
 
Henrin said:
Democracy did what? I'm sorry, but what was the public support of the 1964 bill when it passed? What did people think of public accommodations in 1964? For that matter, what do people think of them today? Here is a hint: You are not the majority and never were. Stop thinking you are.
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You seem to be confusing America with a direct democracy. We're a representative democracy, also called a republic.
 
Navy Pride said:
If this bill is approved in HOR all you have to say is I am gay whether you are or not to get a job or if you are fired..
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No, discrimination lawsuits don't work like that.
 
Henrin said:
No, you don't. Your so called right declaration is in violation of my rights. You do not have the right to enter my propertyy, you do not have the right to service, and you damn well do not have the right to employment. I have the right to ignore your ass, throw you off my property, the right decide not to hire you, and finally the right to fire you for any reason I damn well please. It's my property, and my service you are dealing with. You have no rights on the table. Get off my property.
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That didn't work out too well with those pesky black people, did it?
 
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