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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    BOOM! there you have it, personal failed insults and deflections right on time this is typical of people that cant defend their failed posts.

    PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC

    so sticking to topic, you can or cant point to things i labeled a fact that are not and prove it?

    so is religion FACTUALLY like sexuality in the matter of choice? can you back that up with ant facts or no? seems not

    let us know when you want to stick to the topic and you have ANYTHING factual that backs up your claims. heck one thing . . one
    Your opinions are not facts nor are your posts any sort of successful (except as trolls) and I'll discuss the topic at hand with those who aren't trolls who fool with the posts of others.

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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by SingleCellOrganism View Post
    I edited my post, because I realized I went a bit far.

    1.) What facts? Are you suggesting that theft isn't universally wrong? E.G. are you suggesting there is no objective morality?

    2.) Agreed, actually that was basically the point of my post

    3.) Agreed - we'll collapse because of it.
    3a.) Do you know any teenagers? Notice how dead they are to the idea of morality?
    3b.) where will that lead do you think?]

    4.) Agreed - my point being that pre-Christianity, government perceived the negative detriment of making all behavior acceptable (primarily sexual, since it literally can destroy a society)

    5.) So you are in fact suggesting that there is no action/reaction positive/negative to behavior? Look at the USA pre-WW1 and post-WW1: war shredded this nation

    6.) Yup, that is exactly what I'm arguing.

    7.) So you disagree that we should protect the weak regardless of lifestyle? I thought that is what you were arguing?


    8.) Sexuality is choice. 100%

    9.) I choose not to cheat on my wife.
    10.) I choose not to have sex with men.
    11.)I choose not to look at young women. Etc. Etc.

    12.)How can you argue otherwise?

    13.) Are gay people so enslaved by their desire that they can't control it? Is that what you're suggesting?

    14.) IMO life is a STRUGGLE between selfish behavior and unselfish behavior.

    15.) Sex (outside the confines of marriage) is almost universally selfish behavior.

    (unwanted babies, abortions, bad parents, rape, non-commitment by one party, emotional abuse, etc)
    1.) yes that is a fact, theres not. if you disagree please list them and i will prove them wrong with examples.
    2.) good
    3.) nope just a meaningless baseless opinion that hsa ZERO factual support. there will be no collapse
    3A.) yes i have one and i work at the school district and coach. No they are not like that at all in fact the majority of them are better than when i was young as far as not judging old people, handicapped, homosexuals, races, genders etc
    3B more equal rights and less discrimination and bigotry
    4.) more opinion, but discrimination and not having equal rights sure can
    5.) nope i didnt suggest that at all and more of your unsupportable opinion
    6.) what that your religion is meaningless to equal rights or that you think your religion should rule others
    7.) didnt say that either, you like to make stuff up a lot. im saying theres nothing that says they are factually weak

    8.) uhm what does "sexuality" have to do with sexual orientation? thats right nothing
    yes you are definitely not educated on this topic

    9.) yes true
    10.) yes true which has absolutely nothing to do with attraction and sexual orientation
    11.) see 10#

    12.) i didnt in fact nobody educate on thsi topic would ever make it because what you are sayign has nothing to do with sexual orentation, sorry but you are greatly confused.

    a person can choose not to have sex that doesnt change their orientation one bit

    13.) "desries" no and no nobody woudld suggest that but what NONE OF US can control is sexual orientation, it has a specific target or range and thats that

    14.) nothing wrong with that opinion

    15.) another opinion based on ZERO facts

    it seems you would do much better if you actually knew anything about the facts of sexual orientation, come back when you do it will work out better. Good luck!
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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    1.)Your opinions are not facts
    2.) nor are your posts any sort of successful (except as trolls)
    3.) I'll discuss the topic at hand with those who aren't trolls who fool with the posts of others.
    1.) yes i agree, now can you point out an opinion i called fact and prove it wrong or no?
    2.) they are completely successful at proving your failed posts wrong, hence your inability to be civil, stay on topic and not post failed insults
    3.) if they are educated on this topic they will point out your factaul mistakes too

    again PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC and let us know when you can back up the lies you posted and when you can explain how religion is factually like sexual orientation as far as facts are concerned We LOVE to read it. just ONE fact that backs up up . . .ONE
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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, religion is a choice, but for the many who are brought up from birth in this or that religion it is no more a choice than homosexual behavior is.
    Raised methodist and dragged to church on a regular basis, now atheist. Still gay however.

    Any more horrible analogies you wish to put forth?

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    The republican controlled house won't even bring it to the floor. Sad but true.
    As I pointed out several days ago on this topic... This has been going on since the appointment of the first Speaker.
    How many amendments to the ACA were brought to the floor when the Dems were in power? Sad but true.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062518437
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    As I pointed out several days ago on this topic... This has been going on since the appointment of the first Speaker.
    How many amendments to the ACA were brought to the floor when the Dems were in power? Sad but true.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062518437
    You don't see the difference between voting on countless amendments to a bill, none of which would pass, and allowing a vote on a bill the senate already did pass?

    In the Hawaii marriage case, one devil in a red dress proposed 20 amendments. None passed. She just wasted hours of everyone's time.

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    You don't see the difference between voting on countless amendments to a bill, none of which would pass, and allowing a vote on a bill the senate already did pass?

    In the Hawaii marriage case, one devil in a red dress proposed 20 amendments. None passed. She just wasted hours of everyone's time.
    In the case of the ACA, some had merit, some did not. But that was just the example of one bill. How many other bills died without ever seeing the light of day?

    Don't like my example of the ACA, fine. Look up HR 554 that would have amended Rules of the House of Representatives to require that legislation be available on the Internet for 72 hours before consideration by the House, allowing the members and the public to actually read it before it was voted on. It had a ton of bipartisan support, but the Speaker chose not to bring it to a vote. A bill that I strongly supported, but the Speaker had a different opinion. She was the Speaker, she won...

    The Speaker has to weigh the merits of a zillion bills that come to his or her desk. That is where the lobbyists come in......... But that is a different topic...This one is just a bit more high profile than the others, and it effects you directly, so you know about it. But, please don't act like this Speaker is the only one that does it.
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    In the case of the ACA, some had merit, some did not. But that was just the example of one bill. How many other bills died without ever seeing the light of day?

    Don't like my example of the ACA, fine. Look up HR 554 that would have amended Rules of the House of Representatives to require that legislation be available on the Internet for 72 hours before consideration by the House, allowing the members and the public to actually read it before it was voted on. It had a ton of bipartisan support, but the Speaker chose not to bring it to a vote. A bill that I strongly supported, but the Speaker had a different opinion. She was the Speaker, she won...

    The Speaker has to weigh the merits of a zillion bills that come to his or her desk. That is where the lobbyists come in......... But that is a different topic...This one is just a bit more high profile than the others, and it effects you directly, so you know about it. But, please don't act like this Speaker is the only one that does it.
    I'm not acting like he's the only one to ever use these powers, but seeing as he's the only thing standing between a vote on a nondiscrimination law, i'm certainly going to condemn him for it just the same.

    The ACA amendments are just awful analogy, sorry.
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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Raised methodist and dragged to church on a regular basis, now atheist. Still gay however.

    Any more horrible analogies you wish to put forth?
    Yes, and a person raised in that environment is most likely to be, shocker - a methodist. Just as many gays are likely to stay in the closet their entire lifetime. I am not making this an absolute as you seem to. I'll reiterate - many who are brought up from birth in this or that religion it is no more a choice than homosexual behavior is.

    I'll go further to say, belief in God and adherence to a religion is as deeply influenced by how one is raised as the choice one makes to engage in homosexual behavior is influenced by genetics.

    Still not answered is the objection to this amendment because it requires hiring and continued employment of pedophiles in all sectors of American life. With this amendment in force it would be illegal to fire a professed pedophile who works as an elementary school teacher.
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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Yes, and a person raised in that environment is most likely to be, shocker - a methodist. Just as many gays are likely to stay in the closet their entire lifetime. I am not making this an absolute as you seem to. I'll reiterate - many who are brought up from birth in this or that religion it is no more a choice than homosexual behavior is.

    I'll go further to say, belief in God and adherence to a religion is as deeply influenced by how one is raised as the choice one makes to engage in homosexual behavior is influenced by genetics.
    People brought up on a religion are capable of researching various alternative belief systems and settling on whatever they prefer. The fact many do not only tells us they choose not to. If you're talking of this bill and allowing someone to be fired for their sexuality, that's just not the same. Staying in the closet and staying a virgin for one's whole life is a sure path to misery. It's not a reasonable demand.

    For that matter, i'm not pushing for religion to be removed from ENDA the way others demand that sexuality is not protected. I don't care to see someone fired for being methodist or jewish or whatever. I'm just saying it's BS that one is protected and the other is not.

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