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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

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    I know you won't agree with this but I believe a private business has the right to hire or fire whomever it wants PERIOD
    And they actually still do.... If you read the CRA of 1964, as long as they meet a couple of benchmarks.... <15 employees, etc...

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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I know you won't agree with this but I believe a private business has the right to hire or fire whomever it wants PERIOD
    Then why didn't you say that instead of your story?

    I also think the number of truly "private" businesses is much lower. If they get any kind of government assistance, they are not private. For example the NFL gets subsidies, banks get bailouts etc.

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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

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    Then why didn't you say that instead of your story?

    I also think the number of truly "private" businesses is much lower. If they get any kind of government assistance, they are not private. For example the NFL gets subsidies, banks get bailouts etc.
    that story had nothing to do with me. It was the first major gay discrimination hiring case that made the news in Cincinnati. Cincinnati passed some addition to its local laws prohibiting such firings.

    I was not, nor have I ever been associated with or a partner of the Taft Law firm. I was merely offered a job there 30 years ago



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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

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    Then why didn't you say that instead of your story?

    I also think the number of truly "private" businesses is much lower. If they get any kind of government assistance, they are not private. For example the NFL gets subsidies, banks get bailouts etc.
    I am not aware of many law firms getting Government assistance.



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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that story had nothing to do with me. It was the first major gay discrimination hiring case that made the news in Cincinnati. Cincinnati passed some addition to its local laws prohibiting such firings.

    I was not, nor have I ever been associated with or a partner of the Taft Law firm. I was merely offered a job there 30 years ago
    Well allow me to tell a story. A gay law prof at a major public law school was denied tenure, which was very rare. He sued and the university, despite its policy and quite a history of liberalism tried to argue in court that the case should be tossed because *their non-discrimination policy was voluntary.* In other words, the state does not have an ENDA type law, so the college tried to say it could deny this guy tenure cause of his sexuality in spite of their decades-long written policy.

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    "After Hammer sued in January 2005, one argument the university advanced was that its non-discrimination and diversity policies were suggestions rather than rules, according to briefs the university filed with the court."

    ENDA will protect public employees too.

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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Well allow me to tell a story. A gay law prof at a major public law school was denied tenure, which was very rare. He sued and the university, despite its policy and quite a history of liberalism tried to argue in court that the case should be tossed because *their non-discrimination policy was voluntary.* In other words, the state does not have an ENDA type law, so the college tried to say it could deny this guy tenure cause of his sexuality in spite of their decades-long written policy.

    LawSchool.com, LawTV's site for law students, lawyers, future lawyers, law profs, college students studying for the LSAT, and law school graduates taking the bar exam.

    "After Hammer sued in January 2005, one argument the university advanced was that its non-discrimination and diversity policies were suggestions rather than rules, according to briefs the university filed with the court."

    ENDA will protect public employees too.
    its a different issue than a law firm. It is almost impossible to argue that the U of Michigan-one of the three best public law schools in the USA (UVa and U Cal Berk. being the other two IMHO) is going to suffer any issues by having an openly gay professor

    a conservative Republican (TAFT LAW FIRM) law firm who represents old conservative interests in Cincinnati might well suffer by offering partnership or maintaining the employment of an openly gay lawyer who constantly takes on pro bono cases that are contrary to the interests of the fee paying clients.

    so i don't really see the point you are trying to make-



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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    federal discrimination laws--unconstitutional.

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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its a different issue than a law firm. It is almost impossible to argue that the U of Michigan-one of the three best public law schools in the USA (UVa and U Cal Berk. being the other two IMHO) is going to suffer any issues by having an openly gay professor

    a conservative Republican (TAFT LAW FIRM) law firm who represents old conservative interests in Cincinnati might well suffer by offering partnership or maintaining the employment of an openly gay lawyer who constantly takes on pro bono cases that are contrary to the interests of the fee paying clients.

    so i don't really see the point you are trying to make-
    "first male professor in the history of the law school denied tenure"

    goes on to list a few that likely voted no entirely because of his sexuality including anti-gay comments they made

    He was almost certainly denied tenure due to being gay and they tried to say "so what?" in court. With ENDA they can't do that. Would UMich suffer? Of course not. Why was he denied tenure then? Bigoted law profs, just like my uncle's bigoted boss. That's all it takes to screw someone over, even in "liberal paradise"

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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    "first male professor in the history of the law school denied tenure"

    goes on to list a few that likely voted no entirely because of his sexuality including anti-gay comments they made

    He was almost certainly denied tenure due to being gay and they tried to say "so what?" in court. With ENDA they can't do that. Would UMich suffer? Of course not. Why was he denied tenure then? Bigoted law profs, just like my uncle's bigoted boss. That's all it takes to screw someone over, even in "liberal paradise"
    I couldn't care less. if they denied a good professor tenure based on an issue that has ZERO to do with his abilities then they are stupid.

    IN some cases being gay and advocating for gays is a non issue

    in some cases it is



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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a conservative Republican (TAFT LAW FIRM) law firm who represents old conservative interests in Cincinnati might well suffer by offering partnership or maintaining the employment of an openly gay lawyer who constantly takes on pro bono cases that are contrary to the interests of the fee paying clients.

    so i don't really see the point you are trying to make-
    Ok so reading again, your argument is they should be able to fire him cause it "harms" the law firm. So your argument is certain clients were prejudiced against certain groups so the solution is to keep those groups out to the extent possible? The south would still be operating under jim crow then. I have no sympathy for the prejudiced clients, nor the law firm that would fire the gay worker to appease them. But according to you, that wasn't why he was fired.

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