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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    1.)No one is forcing acceptance.
    2.)The laws are just mandating non-discrimination.
    3.) However, it has been proven as discrimination goes down acceptance tends to go up on its own.
    1.)100% correct
    2.) also correct, it protects rights and stops illegal discrimination
    3.) agreed
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    No one is forcing acceptance. The laws are just mandating non-discrimination. However, it has been proven as discrimination goes down acceptance tends to go up on its own.
    Certainly they are. So long as all are equal in the eyes of the government, let no man be told whom he may associate with.

    People lose this argument with me every time, it's the ugly side of freedom, I know, but you've got to let people do as thou wilt. That goes for both camps.

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    1.)Certainly they are. So long as all are equal in the eyes of the government,
    2.) let no man be told whom he may associate with.
    3.) People lose this argument with me every time, it's the ugly side of freedom, I know, but you've got to let people do as thou wilt. That goes for both camps.
    1.) nope already proven they factually are
    2.) everybody is still free to do this
    3.) love to see your "FACTUAL" winning argument then because you havent presented it yet, not your opinion, FACTS
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) according to what? and why
    2.) see 1#
    3.) yes they do but there is still factually no force of personal acceptance
    1 & 2) It was a common statement delivered from people hiring to people rehabilitating the disabled. Do you really want me to pull out books from 60 years ago to 15 years ago to quote to you?

    To pull out Foucault:

    Force doesn't have to mean strapping a man down to a chair and hitting him with a hammer to punish him. It can mean altering his thought patterns over time, impacting his routine.
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You live in an entire society were acceptance or disdain is socially enforced. Government has a hand in that.
    I also live in a society were the government takes a nice chunk of change out of my coffers regularly but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it, nor offer up ways to let them have more, or no?

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You live in an entire society were acceptance or disdain is socially enforced. Government has a hand in that.
    The presence of abuse is not an excuse for increasing it.

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    1.) 1 & 2) It was a common statement delivered from people hiring to people rehabilitating the disabled. Do you really want me to pull out books from 60 years ago to 15 years ago to quote to you?

    To pull out Foucault:

    2.) Force doesn't have to mean strapping a man down to a chair and hitting him with a hammer to punish him. It can mean altering his thought patterns over time, impacting his routine.
    1.) people being factually wrong and uneducated doesnt make if fact. Right now its common for people to think all gays are just perverts and are running around banging anything that moves, doesnt matter because no matter how many people think that its factually not true thank you for proving my point

    facts and reality doesn't care about opinions

    2.) never claimed that, the fact is though that people are still free to think how they want about gays, gender, race, religion etc and they still do.

    laws protect religion but it seems more people are less religious over time in the us? weird huh?

    all you have to do is give me on factual example of forcing personal acceptance
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

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    sorry fiddy i gotta go, its almost 3 here in the burgh but we can continue later if you wish

    always nice having a civil talk even when we dont agree

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    See, I support your right to say this 100%. However, when a person has mental anguish over reconciling their thinking to their bodies to the point (for some) of suicide or at least ruining their chance of living a happy productive life something should be done. For the vast majority that have tried counceling through the years, trying to fix the brain has failed and there is even some research to show actual physcial similarities between the brain of transgender people and that of the gender they feel they are. If fixing the brain doesnt work and changing the body does, then I support changing the body.
    You see - you agree to a point - not 100%....

    There is no individual in this world that has full "junk" that has an excuse to believe their "junk" is wrong...

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The presence of abuse is not an excuse for increasing it.
    And telling the truth when the truth needs to be told does nothing but mute it...

    Quit being an armchair QB....

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