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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    if you can show me where the force is of personal acceptance then id buy it but theres not fiddy sorry I simply cant agree on force because theres nothing factual that supports that
    Here's an example:

    yes the argument could be made that it promotes people to educate themselves and realize that people with disability dont just sit in a corner and drool on themselves
    Now, without additional legislation and strong-armed tactics, it is far less possible for that to become a common viewpoint (the one you yourself hold about people with disabilities).

    You promote a notion that people with disabilities aren't a certain way. I guarantee you that is the result of numerous court decisions, legislation, regulation, desegregation, and employment protections.

    Without strong-arming the public, you have a more difficult time swaying the opinion of the masses.

    Now, if we moved the other direction, and placed more legal restrictions on people with disabilities in many areas, it will become a whole lot more likely a social rationale will trickle to the masses justifying such measures (and more).

    Social norms come with a force all their own.
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Call me a realist but:

    Boys are born with a penis and girls are born with the vagina... I suppose that concept is too crazy and complicated for progressives...
    See, I support your right to say this 100%. However, when a person has mental anguish over reconciling their thinking to their bodies to the point (for some) of suicide or at least ruining their chance of living a happy productive life something should be done. For the vast majority that have tried counceling through the years, trying to fix the brain has failed and there is even some research to show actual physcial similarities between the brain of transgender people and that of the gender they feel they are. If fixing the brain doesnt work and changing the body does, then I support changing the body.

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    If people don't think this is an issue still, consider the military, which was very openly expelling gay employees by the thousands. Now few lines of work are as blatantly homophobic as the military, but this is surely under-reported in states/cities that have no ENDA type of law. The fired workers know they have no case and the "private" employer doesn't have to give a publicized reason unless sued.

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Here's an example:



    1.) Now, without additional legislation and strong-armed tactics, it is far less possible for that to become a common viewpoint (the one you yourself hold about people with disabilities).

    2.) You promote a notion that people with disabilities aren't a certain way.

    3.) I guarantee you that is the result of numerous court decisions, legislation, regulation, desegregation, and employment protections.

    4.) Without strong-arming the public

    5.) you have a more difficult time swaying the opinion of the masses.
    1.) its not strong arm its simply protecting rights and facts, the view point is meaningless to the law and rights
    2.) no, "i" dont facts and rights simply do, reality and truth does
    3.) no its just facts and reality, it is a fact people with disabilities dont just sit in a corner and drool and that fact would be true without protecting their rights but luckily we do
    4.) again theres no strong arming unless you think protecting rights is strong arming and then if thats the case then the only logical thing to do is to not have rights cant have it both ways
    5.) opinions dont matter to facts

    take interracial marriage, 80+% of people had the opinion it was wrong and should be illegal when government started protecting that right, the majority didnt start thinking it was right until the 90s, 30 years later.

    if so called strong arming takes 30 years i dont see whats strong about it, also i do agree the argument can be made that without the government protecting those rights it probably would have took longer but again peoples uneducated wrong opinions dont matter to facts and rights.

    and again "ACCEPTANCE" still factually is not "FORCED" its still legal to personally not accept it

    whats the alternative? how do we protect rights without laws?

    like i said if you can give me one example of forced personal acceptance ill buy it, but one doesnt exists because there is no force of acceptance
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    There's no reason to be ashamed of wanting to change social structures to be more accepting of homosexuals or transgendered individual beyond de jure protections.
    Actually there is. You cannot force acceptance. Trying to use the government's hand to force it is extremely extremely shameful. Equal rights don't mean special rights. Imposing your will, what you view as acceptable onto others whose conscience won't allow it, and telling them to shut up and deal with it. That, yeah, that's pretty shameful behavior... And yes, this goes the other way as well... Which is why social issues need to be Federal Government neutral and the power vested in local municipalities, counties, and States.

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    3.) no its just facts and reality, it is a fact people with disabilities dont just sit in a corner and drool and that fact would be true without protecting their rights but luckily we do
    "Facts" and "reality" dictated that many/most of the disabled were bitter people. "Facts" and "reality" dictated that people with disabilities were moral degenerates.

    Social structures matter.

    Study up on post-structuralist thought.
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Actually there is.
    1.)You cannot force acceptance.
    2.) Trying to use the government's hand to force it is extremely extremely shameful.
    3.)Equal rights don't mean special rights.
    4.) Imposing your will, what you view as acceptable onto others whose conscience won't allow it, and telling them to shut up and deal with it.
    5.)That, yeah, that's pretty shameful behavior...
    6.) And yes, this goes the other way as well... Which is why social issues need to be Federal Government neutral and the power vested in local municipalities, counties, and States.
    1.) correct and thats factually not happening
    2.) see #1
    3.) correct! good thing this is factually not special rights
    4.) also not going on in this bill
    5.) since thats not happening no worries
    6.) 100% false since we are talking about equal rights
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Actually there is. You cannot force acceptance. Trying to use the government's hand to force it is extremely extremely shameful. Equal rights don't mean special rights. Imposing your will, what you view as acceptable onto others whose conscience won't allow it, and telling them to shut up and deal with it. That, yeah, that's pretty shameful behavior... And yes, this goes the other way as well... Which is why social issues need to be Federal Government neutral and the power vested in local municipalities, counties, and States.
    No one is forcing acceptance. The laws are just mandating non-discrimination. However, it has been shown
    as discrimination goes down acceptance tends to go up on its own.
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Actually there is. You cannot force acceptance.
    Trying to use the government's hand to force it is extremely extremely shameful. Equal rights don't mean special rights. Imposing your will, what you view as acceptable onto others whose conscience won't allow it, and telling them to shut up and deal with it. That, yeah, that's pretty shameful behavior... And yes, this goes the other way as well... Which is why social issues need to be Federal Government neutral and the power vested in local municipalities, counties, and States.
    You live in an entire society were acceptance or disdain is socially enforced. Government has a hand in that.
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    1.)"Facts" and "reality" dictated that many/most of the disabled were bitter people.
    2.) "Facts" and "reality" dictated that people with disabilities were moral degenerates.
    3.) Social structures matter.
    4.) Study up on post-structuralist thought.
    1.) according to what? and why
    2.) see 1#
    3.) yes they do but there is still factually no force of personal acceptance
    4.) no need since it doesnt impact that fact theres no force of personal acceptance, as soon as you can give me one ill agree
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