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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    It's like we arent even participating in the same conversation. Nothing I have said violates the Bill of Rights. You have the Freedom of Speech to say what you want and to protest. What exactly did I say that violates the Bill of Rights.
    nothing

    some people when incapable of using a honest, intelligent and logical argument they just make stuff up
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm pretty sure you have implied that people have the obligation and should be FORCED to serve and accept transexuals when people have the same right to refuse....

    Yeah I know your next argument will be "Jim Crow."
    the bolded is a complete posted lie, nobody implied that and theres zero factual logic to support such nonsensical dishonest and drivel
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm pretty sure you have implied that people have the obligation and should be FORCED to serve and accept transexuals when people have the same right to refuse....

    Yeah I know your next argument will be "Jim Crow."
    I can see this logic to a point... IF the business is privately owned and operated, has no ties to any government (local and/or otherwise) subsidies, tax breaks, assistance, or contracts... But that is never the case. If you are getting Police and Fire protection from your county, it voids all of that IMHO.

    The business SHOULD be able to set their own dress code and enforce it as such. IMHO
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    Re: Senate passes LGBT anti-discrimination bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I am keeping up. I am just trying to understand. I am also on record for ENDA being passed.

    None of my gay friends have any of the issues of which you speak. A few are with very successful in high profile companies and most are quite open. Not one has ever told me that they are afraid for their job. Most were afraid to come out, not fearing the reactin at work, but for the reaction of their families. I know when my brother came out, my Mother freaked out... but she got over it.



    I do have to ask you to explain the 97% number... 97% have waht sort of policy? To fire or equality? If it is to Fire.... yeah, I would be afraid to ask, but 3%... chances are so good in your favor that it should not matter... 3% is a great risk... 15 of 500...I will take those odds in a heartbeat.

    To the guys that say "you deserve it", well they are just wrong.
    It's fine, that's why i bothered to reply. Those 97% have nondiscrimination policies in writing. To go work for the other 3% then to me is a risk. It's a sign the company or someone high up would possibly fire a gay worker. I know cause my uncle dealt with this for two decades, at a bank that got federal bailout money. He would have most likely been fired by a religious zealot and had to endure that until he could find a lateral career move far away. Until then, he was afraid to pursue any relationship. Now i never met his boss, but all that signals to me that he was justifiably concerned. That's not a path i want to go down.

    The same reactions your friends feared with are possible in reverse. In some cases, one's family is ok with it but not the employer. Those past jobs i had were in rural areas, the places where ENDA is most needed.

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    I can see this logic to a point... IF the business is privately owned and operated, has no ties to any government (local and/or otherwise) subsidies, tax breaks, assistance, or contracts... But that is never the case. If you are getting Police and Fire protection from your county, it voids all of that IMHO.

    The business SHOULD be able to set their own dress code and enforce it as such. IMHO
    There is no damn law that says I have to accept anyone......

    Show me where (specifically) where I have to...

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    There is no damn law that says I have to accept anyone......

    Show me where (specifically) where I have to...
    What is your definition of accept? You dont have to accept anything about me. I cant force you to call me what I want you to.

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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    There is no damn law that says I have to accept anyone......

    Show me where (specifically) where I have to...
    There is no law that you have to accept anyone.
    However, the law (Civil Rights act of 1964) states (Title II) that you cannot exclude anyone because of race, color, religion or national origin if you are engaged in interstate commerce. It also prohibits (Title VII) discrimination by covered employers on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. So that brings the questions.... What is "covered employers"? Basically if you have 15 or more permanent employees. A few other exemtions are for Native Americans, religous groups, and non-profit.

    So, when this law goes into effect and is added to the CRA1964, it will add homosexuality to those protected groups.

    If you have a business with fewer that 15 employees, I would assume that you can do as you please, unless there are State laws that contradict that.
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    There is no damn law that says I have to accept anyone......

    Show me where (specifically) where I have to...
    very good there isnt one and this doesnt create one now you can stop posting the lie that the law forces you to accept anything cause it doesnt, thank you for proving everybody else right and yourself wrong as usual.

    Good job you are learning
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    What is your definition of accept? You dont have to accept anything about me. I cant force you to call me what I want you to.
    dont use facts they just confuse some people
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    Re: LGBT Non-Discrimation Vote Passes Senate [W:215]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    What is your definition of accept? You dont have to accept anything about me. I cant force you to call me what I want you to.
    Yet I suppose you would support the government enforcing these ideas on individuals....

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