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U.S. holds talks about Yemen detention center for Guantanamo inmates

Any US Prisons can be taken over by those on the inside. If they wanted to break out they could. We see it all the tim with takeovers and hostage situations plus Rioting. What stops them now......is what they know all entails should some ever do such. What it takes and all the killing that has to be done and that will follow.

Throwing those into lockups that have nothing to lose and are prepared to meet their maker. Wont hold well for any US prison.

Moreover being enemy combatants.....what crime did they commit when surrendering to their enemy? Crimes for what attacking their enemy? If they are not this classification. Where do you suppose that leaves those whom are termed.....Terrorists? Do terrorists have Rights?

These people aren't Lex ****ing Luthor. Christ.

Everyone has rights. That's kind of the point.
 
These people aren't Lex ****ing Luthor. Christ.

Everyone has rights. That's kind of the point.

They don't have to ****ing be Lex Luther nor some rocket scientists either. Might want to try an Island Surrounded by water. Like an Ocean. Better chance at preventing such breakins.....until they start sporting subs and their own version of the Seals and some Sky Warriors that can drop out of the sky.
 
They don't have to ****ing be Lex Luther nor some rocket scientists either. Might want to try an Island Surrounded by water. Like an Ocean. Better chance at preventing such breakins.....until they start sporting subs and their own version of the Seals and some Sky Warriors that can drop out of the sky.
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what?????? moats? C'mon. when is the last time you saw a succesful assault on a US prison??

anything is possible I suppose,,but on a Supermax? or a dedicated prison? we could arm up guards..
 
Just keep them at Gitmo and keep Gitmo open. Never really understood why people want to close down the base.
 
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what?????? moats? C'mon. when is the last time you saw a succesful assault on a US prison??

anything is possible I suppose,,but on a Supermax? or a dedicated prison? we could arm up guards..

Like I said Annata if they can break into and out of Military Prisons that have more firepower.....I don't think they would have any trouble going after a State Prison. same deal with them going after any guarded installations. They don't have tanks.....and they weren't afraid to take on US Special Forces and the Brits. Some Prisons guards who aren't use to those fighting back. Easy pickins.

They would have to keep those Terrorists doped up on the Thorazine 24/7......wherein they see all in black and white and do nothing but the Drugged mans shuffle. Sentencing them to life isn't going to work. Not with them. Again they are willing to die and eagerly as well as with any coverage they can get.
 
Like I said Annata if they can break into and out of Military Prisons that have more firepower.....I don't think they would have any trouble going after a State Prison. same deal with them going after any guarded installations. They don't have tanks.....and they weren't afraid to take on US Special Forces and the Brits. Some Prisons guards who aren't use to those fighting back. Easy pickins.

They would have to keep those Terrorists doped up on the Thorazine 24/7......wherein they see all in black and white and do nothing but the Drugged mans shuffle. Sentencing them to life isn't going to work. Not with them. Again they are willing to die and eagerly as well as with any coverage they can get.
thise prison breaks are not US prisons /though I take your point. we'll have to agree to disagree on this one my friend :mrgreen:
 
thise prison breaks are not US prisons /though I take your point. we'll have to agree to disagree on this one my friend :mrgreen:

You need to think more about Guantanamo.

The CIA

"That’s according to a ruling by Army colonel and military commission judge James Pohl, who issued a “protective order” in January of 2013 that, in effect, classified the memories of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other four defendants—Walid Bin Attash and Ramzi bin al Shibh of Yemen, Ammar al Baluchi of Pakistan, and Mustafa al Hawsawi of Saudi Arabia.

Their names remain opaque to most Americans, as do the legal proceedings based on their torturous experiences during “enhanced interrogation” at various “black sites.” Now, defense attorneys for the five men would like to file suit under the U.N. Convention Against Torture, which the United States signed in 1988 and ratified in 1994.

They cannot.

All legal claims of torture at the hands of the CIA during “extraordinary rendition” fall under the restrictive blanket of secrecy issued by Col. Pohl, who claims he is only empowered to classify material, not vice-versa."

"In response to recent defense challenges to Pohl’s protective order, the prosecution countered with a rationale for secrecy drawn, it seems, from the pages of George Orwell or Philip K. Dick. According to Carol Rosenberg of the Miami Herald, one government prosecutor argued that “… the United States government has absolute control of U.S. captive’s CIA memories because where they were held and what was done to them is classified as ‘sources and methods’ used by the CIA in the now defunct Rendition, Detention and Interrogation program.”

Essentially, the memories of their treatment by the CIA have become the proprietary possession of the CIA. It is the ultimate application of “national security” as a legal fig leaf. And it illustrates the reality that “national security” classification often does more to protect people in the national security business than it does to protect the security of the nation.

Yet, it doesn’t always help in a criminal prosecution—which is why Mohammed al Qahtani remains in perpetual limbo in Gitmo’s memory hole. One of the men accused of being “The 20th Hijacker,” the case against al Qahtani was finally dropped in January of 2009 by retired judge Susan Crawford, the military commission’s Convening Authority. Why? Because Judge Crawford determined that his handling by the military was, in fact, torture."

Admittedly, these specific scumbags genuinely qualify as scumbags, but it appears there are just as many scumbags on the prosecution side. Slippery slopes or flagrant illegality. What's that bout liberty, freedom, democracy, justice, Bill Of Rights, etc. In your imagination, eh?
 
You need to think more about Guantanamo.

The CIA

"That’s according to a ruling by Army colonel and military commission judge James Pohl, who issued a “protective order” in January of 2013 that, in effect, classified the memories of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other four defendants—Walid Bin Attash and Ramzi bin al Shibh of Yemen, Ammar al Baluchi of Pakistan, and Mustafa al Hawsawi of Saudi Arabia.

Their names remain opaque to most Americans, as do the legal proceedings based on their torturous experiences during “enhanced interrogation” at various “black sites.” Now, defense attorneys for the five men would like to file suit under the U.N. Convention Against Torture, which the United States signed in 1988 and ratified in 1994.

They cannot.

All legal claims of torture at the hands of the CIA during “extraordinary rendition” fall under the restrictive blanket of secrecy issued by Col. Pohl, who claims he is only empowered to classify material, not vice-versa."

"In response to recent defense challenges to Pohl’s protective order, the prosecution countered with a rationale for secrecy drawn, it seems, from the pages of George Orwell or Philip K. Dick. According to Carol Rosenberg of the Miami Herald, one government prosecutor argued that “… the United States government has absolute control of U.S. captive’s CIA memories because where they were held and what was done to them is classified as ‘sources and methods’ used by the CIA in the now defunct Rendition, Detention and Interrogation program.”

Essentially, the memories of their treatment by the CIA have become the proprietary possession of the CIA. It is the ultimate application of “national security” as a legal fig leaf. And it illustrates the reality that “national security” classification often does more to protect people in the national security business than it does to protect the security of the nation.

Yet, it doesn’t always help in a criminal prosecution—which is why Mohammed al Qahtani remains in perpetual limbo in Gitmo’s memory hole. One of the men accused of being “The 20th Hijacker,” the case against al Qahtani was finally dropped in January of 2009 by retired judge Susan Crawford, the military commission’s Convening Authority. Why? Because Judge Crawford determined that his handling by the military was, in fact, torture."

Admittedly, these specific scumbags genuinely qualify as scumbags, but it appears there are just as many scumbags on the prosecution side. Slippery slopes or flagrant illegality. What's that bout liberty, freedom, democracy, justice, Bill Of Rights, etc. In your imagination, eh?

no of course not ( to your bolded part). I'd only want them in prison with due process, no more indefinate detentions.
No more black prisons. No more CIA run "signature strikes".
If we cannot capture, and try them ( and I'd prefer a civilian court), we have no business holding anyone.
 
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