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Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

So, we should just accept low rankings? Great, maybe our chant can be "we're last place!"

Well, in sports, it was more, "That's alright; that's okay; You're still going to be working for us one day."

yes I went to a snotty school.

as other societies advance, their scores will improve.

The more bored a student is with school, the worse their overall performance will be. It is why we need a ton of smaller schools that each have themed curriculum that inspires students by incorporating their interests and directing them to an end. Why look--here's one The school that really means business: UTC Reading is preparing pupils for the world of work - Education News - Education - The Independent
 
Were we failing our children 50 years ago, when everything was more or less unquestioned that America was at the top of its game? 70 years ago? 80? 30?

I sense a tone of crisis, not historical inadequacy. If it can be acknowledged that historically we were "failing" our students, I would like to know how you will overcome what liberals could not with its equally ambitious projects.

Not saying I could. But if you are arguing that the status quo of perpetuated failure then I can not agree.
 
Not saying I could. But if you are arguing that the status quo of perpetuated failure then I can not agree.

Do you think we can seriously diminish poverty through public policy action?
 
Oh, I think there are some serious reforms in order, and I've outlined what some of those reforms should be.

I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story, for reasons I've already given in this thread.

It is a meme. If test scores really dictated the public attitudes toward education, they would have improved over the last decade, as we have had some modest gains in some categories per those examinations. But no, that's not what's going on. Instead, the public probably thinks things are getting worse.
 
Oh, I think there are some serious reforms in order, and I've outlined what some of those reforms should be.

I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story, for reasons I've already given in this thread.

Ok then how about drop out rates?

Every year, over 1.2 million students drop out of high school in the United States alone. That’s a student every 26 seconds – or 7,000 a day.

About a quarter of high school freshmen fail to graduate from high school on time.

The U.S., which had one of the highest graduation rates of any developed country, now ranks 22nd out of 27 developed countries.

The dropout rate has dropped 3 percent from 1990 to 2010 (12.1 percent to 7.4 percent).

The percentage of Latino students who graduate have significantly increased. In 2010, 71.4 percent received their diploma vs. the 61.4 percent in 2006.
Asian-American and white students are still far more likely to graduate than Latino and African-American students.
A high school dropout will earn $200,000 less than a high school graduate over his lifetime. And almost a million dollars less than a college graduate.
In the U.S., high school dropouts commit about 75 percent of crimes.
In 2010, 38 states had higher graduation rates. Vermont had the highest rate, with 91.4 percent graduating. And Nevada had the lowest with 57.8 percent of students graduating.

Almost 2,000 high schools across the U.S. graduate less than 60 percent of their students.

These “dropout factories” account for over half of the students who leave school every year.

1 in 6 students attend a dropout factory. 1 in 3 minority students (32 percent) attend a dropout factory, compared to 8 percent of white students.

11 Facts About High School Dropout Rates | Do Something

Those stats sound like we are doing ok?
 
Yes, close the Dept. of Ed. Put education back in the local control, and watch for starters.

How would closing the Department of Education dramatically affect poverty statistics?
 
Ok then how about drop out rates?



Those stats sound like we are doing ok?

Again, if you factor poverty into the equation: In 2007–08, according to school administrators, the average percentage of 12th-graders in high-poverty secondary schools who graduated with a diploma during the previous year was lower than the average percentage for 12th-graders in low-poverty secondary schools (see table A-24-5). About 68 percent of 12th-graders in high-poverty schools and 91 percent of 12th-graders in low-poverty schools graduated with a diploma. Since 1999–2000, the average percentage of seniors in high-poverty schools who graduated with a diploma has declined by 18 percentage points, from 86 to 68 percent. In contrast, there was no measurable difference between the 1999–2000 graduation rate in low-poverty schools and the 2007–08 rate in low-poverty schools. The Condition of Education - Closer Look 2010 - High-Poverty Public Schools - What are the high school graduation rates for high-poverty schools, according to school administrators?
 
Ok then how about drop out rates?



Those stats sound like we are doing ok?

What did I just post?

Did I say that schools were doing OK, or that serious reforms (which I've already suggested) are in order?

Go back and check. I'm pretty sure I made the reforms remark, but, then, I'm getting old and forgetful.
 
How would closing the Department of Education dramatically affect poverty statistics?

Take a look at this stat from what I posted to Ditto...

"1 in 6 students attend a dropout factory. 1 in 3 minority students (32 percent) attend a dropout factory, compared to 8 percent of white students."

The federal government treats everything with a 'one size fits all' approach, and to top it all off the federal government, and the dept of ed. in the control of liberal union run, pie in the sky, protect ourselves at all costs, damn the children attitude is what is wrong...Fix that, and you bring crime down.

Another stat for ya....

"In the U.S., high school dropouts commit about 75 percent of crimes."
 
Take a look at this stat from what I posted to Ditto...

"1 in 6 students attend a dropout factory. 1 in 3 minority students (32 percent) attend a dropout factory, compared to 8 percent of white students."

The federal government treats everything with a 'one size fits all' approach, and to top it all off the federal government, and the dept of ed. in the control of liberal union run, pie in the sky, protect ourselves at all costs, damn the children attitude is what is wrong...Fix that, and you bring crime down.

Another stat for ya....

"In the U.S., high school dropouts commit about 75 percent of crimes."

I get that (disagree with the characterization of the DOE doing one-size-fits all, because it doesn't), but how does closing the DOE and giving more local control dramatically alter the outcomes of students when they reach the age of 16? Then on top of that, how does this dramatically alter poverty statistics?
 
What did I just post?

Did I say that schools were doing OK, or that serious reforms (which I've already suggested) are in order?

Go back and check. I'm pretty sure I made the reforms remark, but, then, I'm getting old and forgetful.

No, you said that, but when you add...

"I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story..."

I find it hard to trust that the reforms you speak of would address the problem.
 
The irony of closing down the DOE is that they provide the most funds to the most poverty ridden students in the most poverty ridden states. Take that away and you are only cutting off funds to poor states.
 
No, you said that, but when you add...

"I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story..."

I find it hard to trust that the reforms you speak of would address the problem.

High stake testing is no way to reform the poverty gap that exist in education. It will only make it wider. Until we have a true discussion about poverty, reforms are going to be minimal at best.
 
Until we have a true discussion about poverty, reforms are going to be minimal at best.

I don't know if I can agree with that idea. I think most reforms we will do will run into numerous problems surrounding assumptions behind the reforms, and on top of that, actually being able to systematically improve matters.
 
Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

"Whoever controls youth, controls the future" was the slogan, given the German National club to the Communist thieves' den.

I had to return to Alabama for a short time. While there, my oldest daughter had a teacher that was extremely conservative and was actually speaking to the children about his political views. I was stunned as I've never encountered anything like this. This school still practiced paddling children also. After a few months I was able to return to my home state but it saddens me that the South is still indoctrinating children with hate messages...and getting away with it.

Liberalism is what this country was built on. Men died in the Civil War for Liberty. So what is it that you are complaining about?? The now right wingers are totally out of control and there is a reason behind that. All you have to do is read history.
 
I don't know if I can agree with that idea. I think most reforms we will do will run into numerous problems surrounding assumptions behind the reforms, and on top of that, actually being able to systematically improve matters.

Kind of like what is happening now.
 
I get that (disagree with the characterization of the DOE doing one-size-fits all, because it doesn't), but how does closing the DOE and giving more local control dramatically alter the outcomes of students when they reach the age of 16? Then on top of that, how does this dramatically alter poverty statistics?

It is kind of simple in that respect IMHO....Giving more localized control allows for more say among the educators that know their students the best. As for poverty? Come on, really? If you improve graduation rates, you start to solve the poverty problem.
 
Liberalism is what this country was built on. Men died in the Civil War for Liberty. So what is it that you are complaining about?? The now right wingers are totally out of control and there is a reason behind that. All you have to do is read history.

Point 1: Somewhat debatable, especially the ramifications of the term itself. The liberalism you may be citing can end up being significantly different from what you think it means. Likewise, there were many that were a bit more on the side of prior assumptions of good governance and the natural society (more monarchist, more hierarchical conservative).

Point 2: If you mean against slavery->you would mostly be false. The war itself had the undercurrents of the implications of slavery as opposed to more modern industrial capitalism, but the men themselves were not doing so. The war turned to an explicit war of abolitionism quite a bit later.

Point 3: I would suggest a more careful reading of history, as well.
 
It is kind of simple in that respect IMHO....Giving more localized control allows for more say among the educators that know their students the best. As for poverty? Come on, really? If you improve graduation rates, you start to solve the poverty problem.

The problem is you're making a large number of assumptions. By closing the federal DOE, you're assuming that the State DOE and the local districts will be able to not only pick up the slack (a difficult proposition for anyone that knows state funding), but will also be able to thus increase graduation rate. So already, you added at least two separate problems needing to be solved, and they are not easy ones to tackle. Next set of assumptions: doing all of this will dramatically attack poverty. We do not know this in the slightest, likewise, what we do know is that graduating high school students face a large amount of poverty or unemployment should they not go on to higher education. That being said, can we actually dramatically alter these fortunes? Past efforts shows us we incredibly come up short, in part, because we make too many assumptions, and on top of that, know far less than we think we do about these problems.

Such was the problem liberals faced, and many did not own up to.
 
The problem is you're making a large number of assumptions. By closing the federal DOE, you're assuming that the State DOE and the local districts will be able to not only pick up the slack (a difficult proposition for anyone that knows state funding), but will also be able to thus increase graduation rate. So already, you added at least two separate problems needing to be solved, and they are not easy ones to tackle. Next set of assumptions: doing all of this will dramatically attack poverty. We do not know this in the slightest, likewise, what we do know is that graduating high school students face a large amount of poverty or unemployment should they not go on to higher education. That being said, can we actually dramatically alter these fortunes? Past efforts shows us we incredibly come up short, in part, because we make too many assumptions, and on top of that, know far less than we think we do about these problems.

Such was the problem liberals faced, and many did not own up to.

Maybe, but I think we over complicate it.
 
Point 1: Somewhat debatable, especially the ramifications of the term itself. The liberalism you may be citing can end up being significantly different from what you think it means. Likewise, there were many that were a bit more on the side of prior assumptions of good governance and the natural society (more monarchist, more hierarchical conservative).

Point 2: If you mean against slavery->you would mostly be false. The war itself had the undercurrents of the implications of slavery as opposed to more modern industrial capitalism, but the men themselves were not doing so. The war turned to an explicit war of abolitionism quite a bit later.

Point 3: I would suggest a more careful reading of history, as well.

1. What are the ramifications of Liberty and what does the term mean?
2. Clarify what you mean for point 2. More modern industrial capitalism?? It almost sounds like you are blaming the Union for the turmoil this country is in today but I'm sure I'm reading more into this so please explain what you mean for this point.
 
Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

"Whoever controls youth, controls the future" was the slogan, given the German National club to the Communist thieves' den.

They've gone from your universities to your 5-year-olds classroom...
 
Do you think we can seriously diminish poverty through public policy action?

Seriously diminish poverty? Probably not

But we probably could seriously diminish the effects of poverty on children that cause them to have so much difficulty in school (ex substance abuse, crime, impoverished exposure to language and reading, etc)
 
No, you said that, but when you add...

"I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story..."

I find it hard to trust that the reforms you speak of would address the problem.

They're basically the same sort of reforms you've suggested: More choices, less central control, dump the Department of Education. I don't know if you read what I've posted, but basically, that's what I said.

Schools definitely need improvement and updating, but to say that they're "failing" because of the dropout rate is over the top.
 
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