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Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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It's exactly what critics of the Common Core school curriculum warned about: Partisan political statements masquerading as English lessons finding their way into elementary school classrooms.

Teaching materials aligned with the controversial national educational standards ask fifth-graders to edit such sentences as “(The president) makes sure the laws of the country are fair,” “The wants of an individual are less important than the well-being of the nation” and “the commands of government officials must be obeyed by all.” The sentences, which appear in worksheets published by New Jersey-based Pearson Education, are presented not only for their substance, but also to teach children how to streamline bulky writing.

Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

"Whoever controls youth, controls the future" was the slogan, given the German National club to the Communist thieves' den.
 
Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

"Whoever controls youth, controls the future" was the slogan, given the German National club to the Communist thieves' den.

Hmmm, interesting since Common Core is being supported by corporations and many who will profit off of education.
 
First of all, we need to remember that Common Core is a list of standards by which companies are creating curriculum. What your child will be doing in school is dependent on which reading/science/history program your district purchases. Just because the vast majority of states have adopted CCSS, it doesn't mean every child in those states is doing the same assignments, have the same textbooks, etc.

I have many things to say about Common Core..........and not much of it is good.
 
This worksheet is in no way related to Common Core.
 
Hmmm, interesting since Common Core is being supported by corporations and many who will profit off of education.

And right wingers. At it's core (excuse the pun) Common Core is a conservative idea, promoted by conservatives. It harkens back to the educational model of the 18th century
 
And right wingers. At it's core (excuse the pun) Common Core is a conservative idea, promoted by conservatives. It harkens back to the educational model of the 18th century

And common core is being dumped by red states faster than they're dumping Medicaid extension, another idea rightists begged for..Red states are getting hammered on standardized tests compared to Blue states who are not quitting on their kids..right wing folks are losing out more on food stamps, sure to help in class .
 
This worksheet is in no way related to Common Core.

Everything we do in schools is related to Common Core now.
 
And right wingers. At it's core (excuse the pun) Common Core is a conservative idea, promoted by conservatives. It harkens back to the educational model of the 18th century

How do you get that this a conservative idea, promoted by conservatives?
 
Everything we do in schools is related to Common Core now.

Identify the component of Common Core that required these particular questions to be asked in this particular way.
 
Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

"Whoever controls youth, controls the future" was the slogan, given the German National club to the Communist thieves' den.

You would think that at the top of the "common core" would be critical thinking.
 
How do you get that this a conservative idea, promoted by conservatives?

Conservatives are about doing things in the traditional way. When it comes to education, the way was to rely on a specific set of knowledge that should be taught. They had a canon for literature, science, and philosophy. Two of the most well-known proponents of the canon for literature are Alan and Harold Bloom (no relation) both of whom are conservative.
 
Identify the component of Common Core that required these particular questions to be asked in this particular way.

Again, CCSS are the standards by which companies produce curricula. Each district chooses from "Common Core aligned" programs to purchase for their teachers and students. The specific questions will vary, depending on the writers of the program, their viewpoints, their philosophies....but it all goes back to the Common Core standards.
 
And right wingers. At it's core (excuse the pun) Common Core is a conservative idea, promoted by conservatives. It harkens back to the educational model of the 18th century

I personally support a common core. One reason why is I (wrongly) thought that it would be a good way to keep politics out of education. I know my fellow conservatives have a bad reputation for crying about education brainwashing children when it really isn't, but this worksheet is a bit absurd.
 
Conservatives are about doing things in the traditional way. When it comes to education, the way was to rely on a specific set of knowledge that should be taught. They had a canon for literature, science, and philosophy. Two of the most well-known proponents of the canon for literature are Alan and Harold Bloom (no relation) both of whom are conservative.

Common Core (in it's full form) is a progressive's idea of how education should be in this country. Every single little aspect of each child's life is going to be documented. Your child won't just get reading, writing, math grades - your child will be graded on social and emotional areas as well. And each category has at least 6 subcategories for which the teacher must show at least 3 pieces of evidence for the "grade". Report cards won't be A, B, C, D, F.... they'll be 1, 2, 3, 4 ---- each subtopic will have a grade. And, as I said, each subtopic grade needs to have documentation to show why that grade was given. It's all about data-tracking. LOTS of paperwork. LOTS of documentation. Which is probably why the standards are dumbed down - teachers won't have time to actually teach.

"Your children don't belong to you - they belong to everyone" --- that's the foundation and philosophy behind Common Core. Common Core is a component of the Race to the Top program which was initiated by this administration and immediately accepted by blue states. The most conservative states in the country want no part of it. To say the CCSS is a conservative idea with conservative backing is ignorant.
 
Common Core (in it's full form) is a progressive's idea of how education should be in this country. Every single little aspect of each child's life is going to be documented. Your child won't just get reading, writing, math grades - your child will be graded on social and emotional areas as well. And each category has at least 6 subcategories for which the teacher must show at least 3 pieces of evidence for the "grade". Report cards won't be A, B, C, D, F.... they'll be 1, 2, 3, 4 ---- each subtopic will have a grade. And, as I said, each subtopic grade needs to have documentation to show why that grade was given. It's all about data-tracking. LOTS of paperwork. LOTS of documentation. Which is probably why the standards are dumbed down - teachers won't have time to actually teach.

"Your children don't belong to you - they belong to everyone" --- that's the foundation and philosophy behind Common Core. Common Core is a component of the Race to the Top program which was initiated by this administration and immediately accepted by blue states. The most conservative states in the country want no part of it. To say the CCSS is a conservative idea with conservative backing is ignorant.

What.... The..... (long string of expletives).


We are definitely either continuing to home-school, or go private education route.
 
Common Core (in it's full form) is a progressive's idea of how education should be in this country. Every single little aspect of each child's life is going to be documented. Your child won't just get reading, writing, math grades - your child will be graded on social and emotional areas as well. And each category has at least 6 subcategories for which the teacher must show at least 3 pieces of evidence for the "grade". Report cards won't be A, B, C, D, F.... they'll be 1, 2, 3, 4 ---- each subtopic will have a grade. And, as I said, each subtopic grade needs to have documentation to show why that grade was given. It's all about data-tracking. LOTS f paperwork. LOTS of documentation.

"Your children don't belong to you - they belong to everyone" --- that's the foundation and philosophy behind Common Core. Common Core is a component of the Race to the Top program which was initiated by this administration and immediately accepted by blue states. The most conservative states in the country want no part of it. To say the CCSS is a conservative idea with conservative backing is ignorant.

As I've explained, the core concept behind a Common Core is adherence to a canon (ie a body of knowledge every child should have) which is a conservative idea promoted by conservatives

As far as measuring students achievements, again that's a conservative idea as demonstrated by the current vogue in education - testing kids using standardized tests.

RTTP builds on bush*'s education program (if I remember correctly it was called Leave No Child Behind)

And it's no surprise that the right is rejecting their own ideas. It's not the first time. Conservatives also like to whine about zero-tolerance policies, individual mandates, state exchanges for insurance, and states rights (when it comes to health insurance - they want to eliminate the states powers to regulate insurance in order to enable insurers to sell across state lines)
 
What.... The..... (long string of expletives).


We are definitely either continuing to home-school, or go private education route.

We had an inservice the other day that delve deeper into what we'll be expected to do. I was so pissed.
 
As I've explained, the core concept behind a Common Core is adherence to a canon (ie a body of knowledge every child should have) which is a conservative idea promoted by conservatives

As far as measuring students achievements, again that's a conservative idea as demonstrated by the current vogue in education - testing kids using standardized tests.

RTTP builds on bush*'s education program (if I remember correctly it was called Leave No Child Behind)

And it's no surprise that the right is rejecting their own ideas. It's not the first time. Conservatives also like to whine about zero-tolerance policies, individual mandates, state exchanges for insurance, and states rights (when it comes to health insurance - they want to eliminate the states powers to regulate insurance in order to enable insurers to sell across state lines)

Where are you getting your information?

And you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about since you don't even know the name of the FORMER federal education monstrosity - No Child Left Behind.
 
Where are you getting your information?

And you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about since you don't even know the name of the FORMER federal education monstrosity - No Child Left Behind.

You can google Harold Bloom and Alan Bloom or "the canon". It's also discussed in a book called "The Big Test" by a guy named Lemann or Lehman (I forget which)

And yeah, "Leave No Child Behind" is way different than "No Child Left Behind" :roll:
 
You can google Harold Bloom and Alan Bloom or "the canon". It's also discussed in a book called "The Big Test" by a guy named Lemann or Lehman (I forget which)

And yeah, "Leave No Child Behind" is way different than "No Child Left Behind" :roll:

Common Core is a progressive initiative, applauded by Obama, funded through the Race to the Top agenda and accepted whole-heartedly by blue states. Yet you still say it's a conservative idea. LOL!

If it is a conservative idea, why are the most conservative states rejecting it? Why are the most outspoken conservatives in our nation demanding a stop to it? Why are progressive states embracing it?
 
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Helping my spouse with her Algebra One papers, they had to explain how to do a slope-intercept problem..If I were my wife, I would be crying at there critical thinking..If you switch the 2x + 7 in (y = 2x + 7) and say (y = 7 + 2x), they will switch the slope and y-intercept..Forget teaching slope in Chemistry in 2 years later in lab for the real world and extend to computers and "lab reports",a form of our "critical thinking".
You would think that at the top of the "common core" would be critical thinking.
 
Yeah, I know the Blooms. It's important to know what you're talking about when you say it otherwise you look like a fool. As you just did.

Blooms Taxonomy has been part of education forever. Bloom ain't new.

Exactly! There's nothing new about The Western Canon!

Teaching a standard set of information is not an idea that Obama came up with

Common Core is a progressive initiative, applauded by Obama, funded through the Race to the Top agenda and accepted whole-heartedly by blue states. Yet you still say it's a conservative idea. LOL!

Nope. You can keep repeating that, but your complete inability to link it to any progressive concept demonstrates how little it has to do with liberal policy.

Hint: Obama's education policies have been extremely right wing and liberal orgs (ex UFT and NEA) do not support them. Simply chanting "Obama, Obama!" doesn't prove anything. Obama has also continued many of bush*'s policies regarding terrorism.

on edit: BTW, the Common Core initiative doesn't require any state to measure a childs social skills or emotional status. That may be how your state is implementing it, but it is not required by the initiative as far as I can tell.
 
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Is this the Bloom of Bloom's taxonomy, the fore-runner of the still-quietly-used at 100% Madeline Hunter Theory of Learning..

As one guy said, he spent his whole younger time trying to get in a box and now they're telling him to get out of the box..

And when I was in Junior High/High School"71", we had Horace Mann..

I was told by the old-timers in the 70's to just wait 5 years and a new way to do things would come along..Well, it's 38 years later and things are still changing in less than a decade every decade .

You can google Harold Bloom and Alan Bloom or "the canon". It's also discussed in a book called "The Big Test" by a guy named Lemann or Lehman (I forget which)

And yeah, "Leave No Child Behind" is way different than "No Child Left Behind" :roll:
 
Nope. You can keep repeating that, but your complete inability to link it to any progressive concept demonstrates how little it has to do with liberal policy.

Um...the entire thing is a progressive's dream. Every single child in every single class will be looked at with a microscope. Every single piece of their emotional, social behavior and academics will be documented and put into a neat little file for government officials to see and use. That's massive government - NOT a conservative ideal by any stretch of the imagination.

Hint: Obama's education policies have been extremely right wing

Bwhahahaha!

and liberal orgs (ex UFT and NEA) do not support them.

Oh, really? Show me UFT and NEA articles, speeches and videos of members who are protesting Common Core and Race to the Top. I want to see them.

Please tell me....

If it's a conservative idea, why are the most conservative states rejecting it? If it's a conservative idea, why are the most outspoken conservatives in America calling for an end to it? And if it's a conservative idea, why did every progressive state immediately jump on the CCSS bandwagon?
 
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