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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    I dunno about you, but I consider ideas based on their merits, not on who proposes them...or what Glenn Beck tells me to think about them...
    "Merit" is for losers, as is thinking for yourself. It's just much wiser to let some political pundit do your thinking for you.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Common Core is another name for "Driving teachers who love their jobs out of schools".

    Sounds to me that it is another name for tracking the performance of students, and the effectiveness of their teachers. I can certainly understand why bad teachers, and students from families that don't value education, wouldn't want that.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You may be able to check our your state's department of public instruction. Mine measured the differences between the CC standards and previously-existing Standards. Per standard, there was a rating system. A large chunk of the time, you probably got 40-60% comparability, and the rest shuffled between CC being more rigorous or less rigorous to the existing standard. That being said, the emphasis in social studies education has been to simplify content to make it to the bare essentials. Sure, some of it encourages critical thinking, but it's pretty easy to make people think in terms of the standards rather than the academic subject matter itself.
    Recommended reading: As neuroscience now delves into the neurobiology of reading, one thing is becoming clear: not all children’s brains are “wired” for reading in the same way. Ready to Read? Neuroscience Research Sheds Light on Brain Correlates of Reading - Dana Foundation

    Again, there is a battle waging whether these standards are developmentally appropriate for young children specifically ages K-3. I'm really not sure how this can be ignored. Also, these standards were written by many academics and assessment experts with ties to testing companies. I find this disturbing to say the least.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Recommended reading: As neuroscience now delves into the neurobiology of reading, one thing is becoming clear: not all children’s brains are “wired” for reading in the same way. Ready to Read? Neuroscience Research Sheds Light on Brain Correlates of Reading - Dana Foundation

    Again, there is a battle waging whether these standards are developmentally appropriate for young children specifically ages K-3. I'm really not sure how this can be ignored. Also, these standards were written by many academics and assessment experts with ties to testing companies. I find this disturbing to say the least.
    I am not versed in the slightest about reading instruction (that's also Josie's area), but skimming makes me think we are getting at what Howard Gardner discussed. I grew up with that model and are more familiar with it.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It depends on how far back we want to go. Standardization with education really became important with progressive education reformers, some of that was meant to be a political endgame, but much of it was just seen as a pedagogical advancement. With regard to CC specifically, it's basically a bi-partisan creation (or monster, depending on how you see it). Support and opposition to it transcends partisanship and it's often difficult to gauge where the ideas came from as to why people do not like it. I think what happens as well, is many times average conservatives and liberals just soak up some thoughts expressed by teachers and teacher union representatives, regardless if it may contradict their ideology. Professionals such as Josie are going to be more influenced by the perceived impact in the classroom rather than the politics (but as we have already seen, this too is part of the story).

    Essentially, education is about one of the only areas where you can find a large chunk of bi-partisan support as well as bi-partisan opposition to the emerging status-quo. It's just messy at this point.
    I agree that, when it comes to education, it is more difficult to identify the source. However, I was referring to efforts in the 18th and 19th century, as well as the 20th, to establish an educational canon, particularly with regards to literature.

    But in looking into this, I know see that aside from a thing specific items (ex Shakespeare, america's foundational documents, etc) the CC doesn't establish a literary canon.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Sounds to me that it is another name for tracking the performance of students, and the effectiveness of their teachers. I can certainly understand why bad teachers, and students from families that don't value education, wouldn't want that.
    TBF to Josie, I don't think she was referring to using students performance to judge teachers, but rather the time she will have to spend on paperwork and other non-teaching tasks in order to comply with the new standards. I've gotten the impression that she would rather spend her time coming up with inventive ways of teaching the subjects she was trained to teach
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    TBF to Josie, I don't think she was referring to using students performance to judge teachers, but rather the time she will have to spend on paperwork and other non-teaching tasks in order to comply with the new standards. I've gotten the impression that she would rather spend her time coming up with inventive ways of teaching the subjects she was trained to teach
    Sure, I didn't really intend to direct that personally at Josie, just to teachers in general. She made it quite clear that she would rather be teaching than doing paperwork.

    fortunately, she also pointed out that much of the testing/tracking is supposed to be done by computers, so assuming that we start properly equipping the classroom with computers and modern technology, the extra administrative requirments should be more or less automatically accomplished by technology, and hopefully will not become overburdensome to the classroom teacher.

    Just a side note, but the school system where I live was one of the first adopters of the CC curriculum. It was also recently recognized as being the #1 school system in the state based upon test scores. The correlation is clear, whether or not there is causation, I dunno.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I am not versed in the slightest about reading instruction (that's also Josie's area), but skimming makes me think we are getting at what Howard Gardner discussed. I grew up with that model and are more familiar with it.
    I wasn't really referring to multiple intelligence although I do enjoy Howard Gardner. My understanding of the brain and its development is that children's brains don't mature at the same pace and brains function differently. To have one "common" standard and one that aims to the highest end is setting many up for failure.

    http://www.apa.org/education/k12/brain-function.aspx- snip

    "Just because you have a classroom full of students who are about the same age doesn’t mean they are equally ready to learn a particular topic, concept, skill or idea. It is important for teachers and parents to understand that maturation of the brain influences learning readiness. For teachers, this is especially important when designing lessons and selecting which strategies to use.
    All children need to be challenged and nurtured in order to profit from your instruction. Instruction that is above or below the maturity level of a child’s brain is not only inappropriate; it can lead to behavior problems in your classroom. Inappropriate behaviors — avoidance, challenging authority and aggression towards other students — can be explained by a failure to match instruction to the brain maturity of your students."

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    I always tells the parents of my students that the "correct" reading level their child should be reading at is very subjective. Just because they're in November of 1st grade, doesn't mean that every child is going to be reading a level E or F (guided reading level). Also, reading fluency scores are supposed to be at 19 wpm in the middle of the year. I have a kid who reads really slow (he does everything really slow), but the kid knows exactly what he reads and understands it. However, on paper it's going to look as though he's behind and needs lots of extra help.....but he doesn't. He just goes about things slightly different than the average kid. It's important to help him get a little faster at it, but he's probably always going to read slower than his peers. That's okay with me, but it's not okay with the "data Nazis".

    I love my job. I love making learning fun and exciting and new. I love coming up with creative ways to keep kids engaged in what they're doing. And first grade is the best. A boy who was in first grade last year with a different teacher was sent back to first (into my class) this year. I called him over to the table for him to read a list of kindergarten words. He immediately had his defenses up. "I can't read" he said quietly. In two weeks, he was proudly reading a book all by himself. I said, "Oh my gosh!! You're reading!!" and he had the biggest smile on his face. <<< THAT is why I love my job.

    Wait....what were we talking about again? I got sidetracked...


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Wait....what were we talking about again? I got sidetracked...
    Something about the air velocity of a swallow. (come on Josie..better know that reference)
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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