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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I will help Josie out by giving you her answer to you: you are wrong! Glenn says it is a communist takeover! The whole story on Common Core Glenn Beck

    And now we know why she is spreading so much inaccurate information about Common Core.
    Oh, look. The person who can't have a political conversation with me without bringing up Glenn Beck.

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    Actually, I'm not claiming it's a conservative idea. I'm claiming it's a bipartisan program where everyone gets what they want:

    Liberals - Required learning.
    Conservatives - Higher standards.
    Libertarians - State controlled, teacher created.
    Stuff like the above baffles me. If you honestly believe everyone of all political persuasions is perfectly happy with CCSS - and it gives everyone what they want - I have a district full of parents, teachers and administrators I'd like you to meet.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I believe they have tweaked the CCSS along the way. When we were first looking at them in our district, the website specifically said there was no creative writing in Common Core. It said something to the effect of "We don't hold creative writing as a standard in CCSS, but teachers may choose to include it in the curriculum if they want."



    I didn't say there wasn't going to by ANY fiction in CCSS. Everyone who has a basic understanding of CCSS agrees that teaching and encouraging fictional reading is reduced.
    I don't believe a word you've said. You keep implying that you're some kind of expert on CC, but every assertion you have made about it has been shown to be false.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Josie, help me understand. Is common core just another name for outcome based education, recycled? It sure sounds familiar.
    Common Core is another name for "Driving teachers who love their jobs out of schools".


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't believe a word you've said. You keep implying that you're some kind of expert on CC, but every assertion you have made about it has been shown to be false.




    It sure doesn't make him a liberal or a progressive
    No, I don't think I'm an "expert" on CCSS. I've been in countless meetings (before you even knew the term Common Core, I bet) about this. I've gone to conferences, I've been part of committees creating the new report cards. I've gone through each standard line by line to determine how to assess each one and what documentation to provide for each one. I was head of a curriculum committee to determine which reading series our district should adopt (Common Core aligned, of course!) where we had to go through every single page of 7 teachers manuals tallying how many times a non-fiction or fiction story was used, how many times vocabulary, phonics, and fluency was taught. I don't know everything about CCSS. No one does because they're constantly adding to it and each state is adding even more to what teachers have to do. Ask a public school teacher how he/she's feeling with all of this coming down the pike. It's massive ... it's overwhelming...and it's driving good teachers out the door.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    No, I don't think I'm an "expert" on CCSS. I've been in countless meetings (before you even knew the term Common Core, I bet) about this. I've gone to conferences, I've been part of committees creating the new report cards. I've gone through each standard line by line to determine how to assess each one and what documentation to provide for each one. I was head of a curriculum committee to determine which reading series our district should adopt (Common Core aligned, of course!) where we had to go through every single page of 7 teachers manuals tallying how many times a non-fiction or fiction story was used, how many times vocabulary, phonics, and fluency was taught. I don't know everything about CCSS. No one does because they're constantly adding to it and each state is adding even more to what teachers have to do. Ask a public school teacher how he/she's feeling with all of this coming down the pike. It's massive ... it's overwhelming...and it's driving good teachers out the door.
    None of that explains why you've made untrue statements about CC, nor does it indicate that my claim about CC having an ideological basis in the right wing was false.

    I understand that you do not support CC. I also understand that you do not support the left. But that doesn't mean that CC was a liberal/progressive idea.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Okay, I must stop talking about this. I get enough of it at work. I'll be attending another CCSS conference soon. I'll let you know what I learn.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Common Core (in it's full form) is a progressive's idea of how education should be in this country. Every single little aspect of each child's life is going to be documented. Your child won't just get reading, writing, math grades - your child will be graded on social and emotional areas as well. And each category has at least 6 subcategories for which the teacher must show at least 3 pieces of evidence for the "grade". Report cards won't be A, B, C, D, F.... they'll be 1, 2, 3, 4 ---- each subtopic will have a grade. And, as I said, each subtopic grade needs to have documentation to show why that grade was given. It's all about data-tracking. LOTS of paperwork. LOTS of documentation. Which is probably why the standards are dumbed down - teachers won't have time to actually teach.

    "Your children don't belong to you - they belong to everyone" --- that's the foundation and philosophy behind Common Core. Common Core is a component of the Race to the Top program which was initiated by this administration and immediately accepted by blue states. The most conservative states in the country want no part of it. To say the CCSS is a conservative idea with conservative backing is ignorant.
    I'm not sure how the standards are viewed as being dumbed down when a third grader is expected to be able to read more than one piece of literature on a specific topic and then compare and contrast the differing viewpoints in composition format. I think that is a wonderful standard but not developmentally appropriate for the majority of third graders. Makes one wonder who was behind the development of these standards and if they ever taught third graders.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I understand that you do not support CC. I also understand that you do not support the left. But that doesn't mean that CC was a liberal/progressive idea.
    It depends on how far back we want to go. Standardization with education really became important with progressive education reformers, some of that was meant to be a political endgame, but much of it was just seen as a pedagogical advancement. With regard to CC specifically, it's basically a bi-partisan creation (or monster, depending on how you see it). Support and opposition to it transcends partisanship and it's often difficult to gauge where the ideas came from as to why people do not like it. I think what happens as well, is many times average conservatives and liberals just soak up some thoughts expressed by teachers and teacher union representatives, regardless if it may contradict their ideology. Professionals such as Josie are going to be more influenced by the perceived impact in the classroom rather than the politics (but as we have already seen, this too is part of the story).

    Essentially, education is about one of the only areas where you can find a large chunk of bi-partisan support as well as bi-partisan opposition to the emerging status-quo. It's just messy at this point.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I'm not sure how the standards are viewed as being dumbed down when a third grader is expected to be able to read more than one piece of literature on a specific topic and then compare and contrast the differing viewpoints in composition format. I think that is a wonderful standard but not developmentally appropriate for the majority of third graders. Makes one wonder who was behind the development of these standards and if they ever taught third graders.
    You may be able to check our your state's department of public instruction. Mine measured the differences between the CC standards and previously-existing Standards. Per standard, there was a rating system. A large chunk of the time, you probably got 40-60% comparability, and the rest shuffled between CC being more rigorous or less rigorous to the existing standard. That being said, the emphasis in social studies education has been to simplify content to make it to the bare essentials. Sure, some of it encourages critical thinking, but it's pretty easy to make people think in terms of the standards rather than the academic subject matter itself.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Okay, I must stop talking about this. I get enough of it at work. I'll be attending another CCSS conference soon. I'll let you know what I learn.
    Yes, it would be nice is you learned something about the CC.

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