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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    All NCLB did was start this unnecessary focus on "data points". Under NCLB, teachers began teaching a little and assessing a LOT. We had to adopt a "research-based assessment" that had to be given to every student in the class three times a year (a one-on-one assessment, by the way). Even the kids that you KNOW will score off the charts - you still have to take time that could be used to teach so that you can get their data points down.

    Common Core is NCLB on steroids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Then you get into the discussion of what exactly you're assessing. If a student is horrible at putting his thoughts on paper, but is a whiz at math, he's going to do horribly on those problems.
    It's a 3-year process in high school to teach them what seems to be four years of work for these tough standardized tests..
    I once laughed at a school for going 8-12 and assumed they just had money problems..
    I now am thinking that kids need grades 8-11 to prepare for these tests, which Illinois will never go back on..
    Do we assess how he writes or if he came up with the correct answer or both? ??
    It looks like Illinois is building towards both, though slower on the writing of math..
    My wife is now adding problems where kids have to explain how to do something: explain how to construct a perpendicular bisector..
    After they just construced one with a compass on a previous problem but she doesn't link them..And they couldn't..
    Also, they still have to do problems where they show their work, being graded on a Rubric..
    Then there's the load of multiple choice, where known mistakes are factored in to the wrong answers..

    I graded Chem/Physics problems my whole career using a rubric but didn't really use that word until it was invented..
    It's not easy--you try to be fair with points off and be consistent..
    I separate Math papers into piles for my wife based on common wrong answers and apply my science rubric to take off points..

    Grading English papers in our subject on a rubric is something we're all supposed to do within the context of a yearly course, like math..
    We have a really good writing rubric, but it is time-consuming and hard to get motivated to do, when that's not our bag in science and math..
    We have at least two outstanding teachers in science who do a great job with lab reports and all that microsoft stuff I never learned..
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    All NCLB did was start this unnecessary focus on "data points". Under NCLB, teachers began teaching a little and assessing a LOT. We had to adopt a "research-based assessment" that had to be given to every student in the class three times a year (a one-on-one assessment, by the way). Even the kids that you KNOW will score off the charts - you still have to take time that could be used to teach so that you can get their data points down.

    Common Core is NCLB on steroids.
    I hear what you are saying, but the fact is that NCLB raised performance.

    If teachers were championing another program proven to do the same, id be all ears-but they aren't-they are arguing FOR the status quo, which is no good.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Each curriculum program has the freedom (to a point) to determine the content. For example, the CCSS and PARCC assessment are going to assess non-fiction MUCH more than fiction. So companies like Pearson aren't going to have 50/50 fiction/non-fiction - it's going to be non-fiction heavy. First grade math CCSS doesn't mention counting money or using a ruler - so math curriculum companies are going to start creating and revising their programs to not include counting money or using a ruler in first grade.

    The sentences on the Reading Street worksheet aren't something some CCSS bureaucrat told Pearson to put there - that was Pearson. But it all relates back to Common Core.

    And if any teacher goes to her administrator and says, "Hey - I don't like this Common Core standard here. I don't think it's appropriate for my students to learn. I don't think I'm gonna teach it." Ya think that's gonna go over well? Also - no school in their right mind is going to eliminate any of them because then their students won't do well on those areas on the PARCC assessment which, of course, will affect what this is all about ----- $$$$$.
    Mistake one is having a publisher involved.

    They've lost their minds.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    In the second statement, I meant to refer to the headstart program. And now returning to that post, I cant edit it for some reason?
    You are lying. Your quote, and the text preceding it, is clearly not about HeadStart

    NCLB did indeed raise scores.


    Not to nitpick-but higher scores are not the same thing as improved outcomes.
    And yet, you argue that high scores do measure performance

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    I hear what you are saying, but the fact is that NCLB raised performance.
    Again, you're all over the place
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I hear what you are saying, but the fact is that NCLB raised performance.
    Maybe for some schools, but I think by the end there most schools weren't making AYP because they kept raising the bar every year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Mistake one is having a publisher involved.

    They've lost their minds.
    Who else is going to produce million dollar programs for taxpayers to waste money on?


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You are lying. Your quote, and the text preceding it, is clearly not about HeadStart



    And yet, you argue that high scores do measure performance



    Again, you're all over the place
    Calm down.

    This statement: "
    Another textbook case-no child left behind. At tremendous expense (that could be spend elsewhere in ways proven to improve outcomes) even the govt admits (after being forced to study, and then hiding the results for nearly 2 years) that NCLB DOES NOT IMPROVE OUTCOMES."
    I meant to write in Head Start, thats what I was thinking, but I wrote in NCLB. Simply an error on my part.

    Moving on-improved performance is not the same as improved outcomes-do you understand this distinction?

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Common Core is NCLB on steroids.
    Wait till you see the NextGen Science standards coming out of the Northeast, where this plague of ideas eminates from..
    You'll need to be flown to Boston to "hob-nob" with the big-shot administators on "electronic portfolios" for every student..
    I call it "504 plans on steroids" for every single kid..
    Do you have all that new-age terminology down like PLCs and moodles??

    They're up to 80 hours of community service out East, changed in the middle of the stream for some high school grades..
    Maine was famous for dropping out of the Science test of the NECAP with their kids getting slaughtered..
    And Indiana just dropped out of a lot of Common Core, with the election of a Democratic School Supt..
    Apparently, much good work may be getting flushed in Indianaon evaluations,
    a real sticking point across the Nation ande causing real bad feeling in our district..
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Who else is going to produce million dollar programs for taxpayers to waste money on?
    Maybe that was the first mistake.

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