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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    To be fair, NCLB raised scores. Objective testing SHOULD be the standard, I dont know why college educated teachers would argue against this.
    No, they really didn't. Not overall.

    As for objective, it assumes that all learning is objective and mere memorization. That would be false. Such learning, while part of the process, is at the lower in of the learning spectrum.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I will do some reading on this, but Chile has had problems with communism, and dictatorship. So to simply isolate one variable in a society that is NOT about open and free choice-and then to claim that as a causative factor is a stretch.

    But that is Chile-more importantly here and now-students in voucher programs, and even being homeschooled have significantly higher scores across the educational spectrum.
    Please do read into because you will find that Chile's voucher initiative was stated under Pinochet (yes a dictator but not a communist) as a free market plan to decentralize schools.

    And, to comment on your second point, please provide evidence that schools taking vouchers have done a better job than public schools educating the disadvantage.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Common Core standards for high school Math are pushing in the direction of students
    stating in words how to do a problem in algebra and geometry..
    This is where I feel for my wife..I've helped grade some of her regular old math problems but their writing is quite indescribable right now..

    Standardized testing in Illinois has the ACT on one day and a rigorous state test on day two, wiping the kids out..
    I'd like to see all the pea-brains concocting this BS, such as retired admins double-dipping, to take these tests..
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    The first advice I got when I started teaching in 1976 was that a new way "to do things" would come up every 5 years or so..
    Student Learning Objectives, SLOs back then, mean about as much as they do now, 37 years later..

    In the early 1980's, along came the Madeline Hunter Theory of Learning..
    It made us teachers "aware" of what we were doing..Be concious of what you're doing, like no **** man..

    Obviously, these people weren't teaching my teenagers Chem/Physics..
    I pulled every trick in the book to get their attention, for they learn nothing without paying attention..
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How would such a thing be aligned? Can you align it with a skill set, using any content?
    Yes, which I already said on the very first page. Common Core are the standards by which curriculum companies create curricula. The company creating the curriculum produces the content of the program based on the standards. Saying that a company's curriculum "isn't related to Common Core whatsoever" is ridiculous because all educational programs (math and language arts) are related to Common Core now.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    To be fair, NCLB raised scores.
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    NCLB DOES NOT IMPROVE OUTCOMES.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Yes, which I already said on the very first page. Common Core are the standards by which curriculum companies create curricula. The company creating the curriculum produces the content of the program based on the standards. Saying that a company's curriculum "isn't related to Common Core whatsoever" is ridiculous because all educational programs (math and language arts) are related to Common Core now.
    I admit my work with core curriculum is limited. But my understanding was that it provided a standard and not content. So, say a writing class would work on the skill, but not have the topic dictated. Science would have a list if specific skills, but not the way to reach those skills. If I'm wrong about that, no teacher should accept merely being a reporter of curriculum.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Common Core standards for high school Math are pushing in the direction of students
    stating in words how to do a problem in algebra and geometry..
    Then you get into the discussion of what exactly you're assessing. If a student is horrible at putting his thoughts on paper, but is a whiz at math, he's going to do horribly on those problems. Do we assess how he writes or if he came up with the correct answer or both? ??


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I admit my work with core curriculum is limited. But my understanding was that it provided a standard and not content. So, say a writing class would work on the skill, but not have the topic dictated. Science would have a list if specific skills, but not the way to reach those skills. If I'm wrong about that, no teacher should accept merely being a reporter of curriculum.
    Each curriculum program has the freedom (to a point) to determine the content. For example, the CCSS and PARCC assessment are going to assess non-fiction MUCH more than fiction. So companies like Pearson aren't going to have 50/50 fiction/non-fiction - it's going to be non-fiction heavy. First grade math CCSS doesn't mention counting money or using a ruler - so math curriculum companies are going to start creating and revising their programs to not include counting money or using a ruler in first grade.

    The sentences on the Reading Street worksheet aren't something some CCSS bureaucrat told Pearson to put there - that was Pearson. But it all relates back to Common Core.

    And if any teacher goes to her administrator and says, "Hey - I don't like this Common Core standard here. I don't think it's appropriate for my students to learn. I don't think I'm gonna teach it." Ya think that's gonna go over well? Also - no school in their right mind is going to eliminate any of them because then their students won't do well on those areas on the PARCC assessment which, of course, will affect what this is all about ----- $$$$$.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You're all over the place
    In the second statement, I meant to refer to the headstart program. And now returning to that post, I cant edit it for some reason?

    NCLB did indeed raise scores.
    Improved test scores[edit]
    The Department of Education points to the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) results, released in July 2005, showing improved student achievement in reading and math:[15]

    More progress was made by nine-year-olds in reading in the last five years than in the previous 28 years combined.
    America's nine-year-olds posted the best scores in reading (since 1971) and math (since 1973) in the history of the report. America's 13-year-olds earned the highest math scores the test ever recorded.
    Reading and math scores for black and Hispanic nine-year-olds reached an all-time high.
    Achievement gaps in reading and math between white and black nine-year-olds and between white and Hispanic nine-year-olds are at an all-time low.
    Forty-three states and the District of Columbia either improved academically or held steady in all categories (fourth- and eighth-grade reading and fourth- and eighth-grade math). No Child Left Behind Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Not to nitpick-but higher scores are not the same thing as improved outcomes.

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