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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Well, it was a long time ago, and I couldn't remember whether it was 5th, or 3rd....I just remember driving to school with my dad that had me drill them every morning....But yeah, I guess you're right, it was 3rd....
    Sure it was, j-mac, sure it was. Wait... driving to school with your dad? Didn't you have to walk to school, five miles, uphill both ways, through the snow?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    That's simple. Students with better outcomes from the schools that do better, will have more demand that kids go there, and their ways of doing things will be studied, and adopted much like how competition in anything brings the best to the top....
    Exactly what needs to be done. Get rid of district boundaries. Get rid of the Department of Education and all of the layers of bureaucracy. Get rid of the big end of year test everyone obsesses over. If the school is not doing the job, enough parents will know and will find a better school. Poorly performing schools will close or open under new management, just like the local supermarket. Good schools will get better through competition.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Sure it was, j-mac, sure it was. Wait... driving to school with your dad? Didn't you have to walk to school, five miles, uphill both ways, through the snow?

    heh, heh...Guess I walked into the opening there.... But, walking to school was junior high....I went to a private elementary school.

    Exactly what needs to be done. Get rid of district boundaries. Get rid of the Department of Education and all of the layers of bureaucracy. Get rid of the big end of year test everyone obsesses over. If the school is not doing the job, enough parents will know and will find a better school. Poorly performing schools will close or open under new management, just like the local supermarket. Good schools will get better through competition.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's simple. Students with better outcomes from the schools that do better, will have more demand that kids go there, and their ways of doing things will be studied, and adopted much like how competition in anything brings the best to the top....
    looking forward to us conservative's 'insights' into that question. would want to see her flesh out her remarks - if such is possible

    now to your posts. under leave no child behind, if the school a student was attending was found to be failing, based on the poor student performance tests after three years, that student was eligible to attend another school, even if that school was not in the student's attendance district. at least, that's how it was implemented in my berg
    sounds reasonable, doesn't it. kids should not have to attend under-performing schools
    the problem is, once the initial three years of testing was up, LOTS of kids' parents were lined up to move their kids to another school, to avoid their under-performing home school. but here is the fly in the ointment: there were no non-failing schools with openings. those kids from failing schools could only move to other failing schools. so much for your (and us conservative's) 'competitive' aspect of public education
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    looking forward to us conservative's 'insights' into that question. would want to see her flesh out her remarks - if such is possible

    now to your posts. under leave no child behind, if the school a student was attending was found to be failing, based on the poor student performance tests after three years, that student was eligible to attend another school, even if that school was not in the student's attendance district. at least, that's how it was implemented in my berg
    sounds reasonable, doesn't it. kids should not have to attend under-performing schools
    the problem is, once the initial three years of testing was up, LOTS of kids' parents were lined up to move their kids to another school, to avoid their under-performing home school. but here is the fly in the ointment: there were no non-failing schools with openings. those kids from failing schools could only move to other failing schools. so much for your (and us conservative's) 'competitive' aspect of public education
    What's failing is the test that is supposed to identify "failing' schools. Parents are a much better judge of whether their kids are getting the education that they deserve.

    How can you base decisions on a test when more than half of the class is "finished" with a 45 minute timed test in less than ten minutes? The test is not an accurate measure of student achievement.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What's failing is the test that is supposed to identify "failing' schools. Parents are a much better judge of whether their kids are getting the education that they deserve.

    How can you base decisions on a test when more than half of the class is "finished" with a 45 minute timed test in less than ten minutes? The test is not an accurate measure of student achievement.
    this has little to do with the test. that kid who finished in 10 minutes with a superior grade is not being adequately challenged. we are wasting that massive intellectual potential
    that kid who finished in 10 minutes and failed showed us the same score he would have accomplished had he spent 45 minutes guessing which bubble to fill in
    the tests are actually telling us something. problem is, everyone seems content to ignore what the test results reveal


    and i have to disagree with you about the parents knowing which school their child needs to attend in order to receive the education they are entitled to receive. i guarantee you that if folks like al sharpton and jesse jackson could get their hands on the public's money under the ostensible intent to create better schools for our children, they would enrich themselves by providing sorry parents with monetary kickbacks to place their kids in those inferior schools run by the likes of al and jesse. some parents do not value education. and we see a lot of those parents in the lower economic strata ... which is a major part of the reason why they remain poor

    my wife was called out of retirement to teach a project lift (gates foundation money supported) school. she comes home every nite with stories about how terribly the school system is run. there is very good intent. but there are lots of well paid staff whose 'contribution' is conducting purposeless meetings to be attended to learn about the latest fad in education circles. it seems talking about education is as useful as dancing about architecture
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    this has little to do with the test. that kid who finished in 10 minutes with a superior grade is not being adequately challenged. we are wasting that massive intellectual potential
    that kid who finished in 10 minutes and failed showed us the same score he would have accomplished had he spent 45 minutes guessing which bubble to fill in
    The kid who finished in 10 minutes did not read the test. We still don't know whether he could have or not. Go back to a matrix sample, put the questions on a computer, give the kids some incentive to do the best they can to answer the questions correctly, and we'll have valid results that can be used on which to base decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the tests are actually telling us something. problem is, everyone seems content to ignore what the test results reveal
    They are not telling us what we need to know.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and i have to disagree with you about the parents knowing which school their child needs to attend in order to receive the education they are entitled to receive. i guarantee you that if folks like al sharpton and jesse jackson could get their hands on the public's money under the ostensible intent to create better schools for our children, they would enrich themselves by providing sorry parents with monetary kickbacks to place their kids in those inferior schools run by the likes of al and jesse. some parents do not value education. and we see a lot of those parents in the lower economic strata ... which is a major part of the reason why they remain poor
    Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson can choose schools for their kids, not for the rest of us.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    my wife was called out of retirement to teach a project lift (gates foundation money supported) school. she comes home every nite with stories about how terribly the school system is run. there is very good intent. but there are lots of well paid staff whose 'contribution' is conducting purposeless meetings to be attended to learn about the latest fad in education circles. it seems talking about education is as useful as dancing about architecture
    Exactly. Those well intentioned and well paid staff are superfluous. Get rid of the layers of bureaucracy, and use the money to educate the children and there will be plenty for smaller classes, aides, computers, whatever is needed to do the job.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We actually see that today. In my day every kid knew their multiplication tables by heart by the 5th grade, today? We need pictures on cash registers so that kids now how to make change.
    Today, they need to master them before the end of third grade.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How seriously do the students take the test?

    Do they "finish" a 45 minute timed test in less than ten minutes? That's a clue.
    Usually, my ADHD kids finish much faster than they should. I do feel bad for all the kids because after 2 hours of test taking they are all done.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's simple. Students with better outcomes from the schools that do better, will have more demand that kids go there, and their ways of doing things will be studied, and adopted much like how competition in anything brings the best to the top....
    Sure, simple. A child who just saw his father break into his house and beat his mother to a pulp will do as well as the child who goes to bed at a normal time in a stable home. When I taught in a disadvantaged school, I once had a child who would go under his desk at least once a day because he had PTSD. I had several that went from foster home to foster home and suffered depression. Some I had were abused so severely, it would make the hair on your back raise. We had a cop car awaiting arrest in two cases due to drug charges. We also had several parents plastered on the wall wanted on drug charges and/or sexual felonies. I could go on and on but I think you get the point.
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