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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    I dont care about retention rates. I care about choice. I care about competition. These are the things that improve the market, education is a commodity like any other. Im not saying its easy, but its fairly straight forward.
    Churn and burn is NOT a good model in the teaching profession. It takes an inexperienced teacher approximately 3 years to master many skills (give or take a few years) including classroom management, testing, intervention, adaptation, IEP and 504 law, planning lesson which need to be modified and/or accommodations made, and also take care of mounds of endless paperwork (each with its own rubric). If you keep turning them every 3 to 5 years, schools have to re-train from scratch. Schools with high retention rates, are usually the ones everyone wants to work for because they have less difficult students. That is where our system breaks down. Our wealthy schools are doing just fine. The less advantage schools where high rates of disadvantage students attend are not making the grade. It is no wonder with so many teachers walking before that 5 year mark.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Thats my issue. Teachers state they are pro-student, but they oppose competition, and objective testing of both students and teachers-saying the tests are imperfect, its home issues, etc.

    Newly added, is an anti-capitalism excuse-something about corporatism. I think they see ghosts where there are none.

    As a result of lack-luster education-think of the burden on society, the decreased productivity, the lower quality of life, the inability to escape the cycle of poverty. We are truly shooting ourselves in the foot.
    If you don't believe that schools are following a business model installed by corporate reformers then you have your eyes and ears shut. This business model is not working for those that it purports to help the most.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Thats my issue. Teachers state they are pro-student, but they oppose competition, and objective testing of both students and teachers-saying the tests are imperfect, its home issues, etc.

    Newly added, is an anti-capitalism excuse-something about corporatism. I think they see ghosts where there are none.

    As a result of lack-luster education-think of the burden on society, the decreased productivity, the lower quality of life, the inability to escape the cycle of poverty. We are truly shooting ourselves in the foot.
    We actually see that today. In my day every kid knew their multiplication tables by heart by the 5th grade, today? We need pictures on cash registers so that kids now how to make change.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    OMG, we were just talking about that yesterday in the faculty room! We have this entire wall plastered with testing results as if its wall paper. It keeps growing like black mold and is a constant reminder of how serious these test are taken during lunch as you sit eat your sandwich and stare at it. Everyone very subdued.
    How seriously do the students take the test?

    Do they "finish" a 45 minute timed test in less than ten minutes? That's a clue.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We actually see that today. In my day every kid knew their multiplication tables by heart by the 5th grade, today? We need pictures on cash registers so that kids now how to make change.
    WOW! By fifth grade, really?
    California state standards (the goals and objectives the test is based on) are that all students memorize the times tables by third grade. I guess your class was a couple of years behind.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont care about retention rates. I care about choice. I care about competition. These are the things that improve the market, education is a commodity like any other. Im not saying its easy, but its fairly straight forward.
    ok, so you care about choice and competition
    now share with us how a focus on choice and competition could substantially elevate our public school system
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    WOW! By fifth grade, really?
    California state standards (the goals and objectives the test is based on) are that all students memorize the times tables by third grade. I guess your class was a couple of years behind.

    Well, it was a long time ago, and I couldn't remember whether it was 5th, or 3rd....I just remember driving to school with my dad that had me drill them every morning....But yeah, I guess you're right, it was 3rd....
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    WOW! By fifth grade, really?
    California state standards (the goals and objectives the test is based on) are that all students memorize the times tables by third grade. I guess your class was a couple of years behind.
    not so certain it was the class
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, so you care about choice and competition
    now share with us how a focus on choice and competition could substantially elevate our public school system
    That's simple. Students with better outcomes from the schools that do better, will have more demand that kids go there, and their ways of doing things will be studied, and adopted much like how competition in anything brings the best to the top....
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    not so certain it was the class
    This is where I need the middle finger smiley....
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