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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    First, spell out "the cause". I provided proof that the US reading and mathematical scores can compete internationally only when taking poverty rates into account and making equal comparisons using that measure. Now people can argue that we haven't been doing enough to get children who live in poverty score's to match those who do not live in poverty. If you would like to blame teachers, feel free. I just need some kind of evidence to back up your accusation that teachers are the cause.
    The cause? Well, I have spelled it out earlier in the thread....To me, as a parent that has successfully put two kids through school, and on to college, I would say that among the top of the list is top heavy administration that pulls in six digit salaries, sucking off resource from the schools themselves, then would come teacher apathy, IOW, we all know those teachers that don't keep hours after school, who don't answer their e-mail, who love to tell you how your child is not doing what is necessary, yet they are not invested at all, then there is the problem of tenure. I don't believe that in primary schooling tenure should be available at all. My job is performance based, so should theirs be.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    The cause? Well, I have spelled it out earlier in the thread....To me, as a parent that has successfully put two kids through school, and on to college, I would say that among the top of the list is top heavy administration that pulls in six digit salaries, sucking off resource from the schools themselves, then would come teacher apathy, IOW, we all know those teachers that don't keep hours after school, who don't answer their e-mail, who love to tell you how your child is not doing what is necessary, yet they are not invested at all, then there is the problem of tenure. I don't believe that in primary schooling tenure should be available at all. My job is performance based, so should theirs be.
    Having tenure doesn't mean you can't have an evaluation based on performance. Here in MA, I can assure you we have tenure and have always had performance based evaluations. If a bad teacher made it through the system without a bad evaluation, that is something the administration should be accountable for since that is what he/she is paid to do---evaluate the effectiveness of teachers. Like Ditto head not, I've seen teachers get dismissed. Yes, tenure makes it harder because you have to prove there is a reason for that person to lose his/her job, but if that can be proven they are dismissed. An administrator cannot fire you at will which means because he/she feels like it. Most teachers who cannot teach usually clear themselves out within 5 years because teaching is one of the few jobs with that kind of mass exodus. Many walk after just a year. People know when they can't cut it and they learn pretty quick teaching isn't an easy job. I can vouch that I know at least a handful of teachers who did not belong in the profession and are still teaching, but they were not protected by the union. They were protected by a thing called nepotism which exist everywhere in all careers. TG it is a very small minority in teaching.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Having tenure doesn't mean you can't have an evaluation based on performance. Here in MA, I can assure you we have tenure and have always had performance based evaluations. If a bad teacher made it through the system without a bad evaluation, that is something the administration should be accountable for since that is what he/she is paid to do---evaluate the effectiveness of teachers. Like Ditto head not, I've seen teachers get dismissed. Yes, tenure makes it harder because you have to prove there is a reason for that person to lose his/her job, but if that can be proven they are dismissed. An administrator cannot fire you at will which means because he/she feels like it. Most teachers who cannot teach usually clear themselves out within 5 years because teaching is one of the few jobs with that kind of mass exodus. Many walk after just a year. People know when they can't cut it and they learn pretty quick teaching isn't an easy job. I can vouch that I know at least a handful of teachers who did not belong in the profession and are still teaching, but they were not protected by the union. They were protected by a thing called nepotism which exist everywhere in all careers. TG it is a very small minority in teaching.
    I don't want to diminish your experience, but we all see teachers in positions they shouldn't hold, and apathy that is rampant. Now that is probably due more to over burdened class rooms, and worsening attitudes of the students these teachers get, but none the less, at least in my eyes there is a problem there.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

    And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

    "Whoever controls youth, controls the future" was the slogan, given the German National club to the Communist thieves' den.
    Those common core books are now teaching kids that "white people wouldn't vote for Obama because he's black."

    Common cores mission is to brainwash children with progressive 1984ish bull****...

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't want to diminish your experience, but we all see teachers in positions they shouldn't hold, and apathy that is rampant. Now that is probably due more to over burdened class rooms, and worsening attitudes of the students these teachers get, but none the less, at least in my eyes there is a problem there.
    I do see morale at it's lowest since I've been in the profession. It should be interesting to see if retention rates get worse instead of better.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I do see morale at it's lowest since I've been in the profession. It should be interesting to see if retention rates get worse instead of better.
    When the teacher is expected to have 100% of his students pass a difficult and tedious test that most of them could care less about, and when talking about poverty and non English speakers is seen as "making excuses", and when the administrators J-mac talks about are out there "earning" their fancy salaries by running around making sure that the standards are posted on the classroom wall (yes, that really happens!) then no wonder the teacher morale is low.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We still need to find a way to measure that teachers are actually getting results....This thread so far seems to be long on excuses from the education circles on why our system is failing, and surprisingly not a lot of it has to do with teachers, why, color me shocked that those experiencing scrutiny want to deflect it away from themselves.
    Thats my issue. Teachers state they are pro-student, but they oppose competition, and objective testing of both students and teachers-saying the tests are imperfect, its home issues, etc.

    Newly added, is an anti-capitalism excuse-something about corporatism. I think they see ghosts where there are none.

    As a result of lack-luster education-think of the burden on society, the decreased productivity, the lower quality of life, the inability to escape the cycle of poverty. We are truly shooting ourselves in the foot.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Those common core books are now teaching kids that "white people wouldn't vote for Obama because he's black."

    Common cores mission is to brainwash children with progressive 1984ish bull****...
    Got a link for that.

    The left is killing academia. Ive had it up to here with neo marxist critical theory bull****.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I do see morale at it's lowest since I've been in the profession. It should be interesting to see if retention rates get worse instead of better.
    I dont care about retention rates. I care about choice. I care about competition. These are the things that improve the market, education is a commodity like any other. Im not saying its easy, but its fairly straight forward.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    When the teacher is expected to have 100% of his students pass a difficult and tedious test that most of them could care less about, and when talking about poverty and non English speakers is seen as "making excuses", and when the administrators J-mac talks about are out there "earning" their fancy salaries by running around making sure that the standards are posted on the classroom wall (yes, that really happens!) then no wonder the teacher morale is low.
    OMG, we were just talking about that yesterday in the faculty room! We have this entire wall plastered with testing results as if its wall paper. It keeps growing like black mold and is a constant reminder of how serious these test are taken during lunch as you sit eat your sandwich and stare at it. Everyone very subdued.

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