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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    This has always been a problem, but what you are saying is the union is there for you, not the student. Im fine with that, I just hear many special interest groups say they are benevolent caretakers of the people when really its about them.
    Of course the union is there for the teacher. The teachers pay them and expect them to be there for them. It's like hiring a lawyer. Do you expect that lawyer to be on your side, or simply just do what is right for the good of all?

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    ONE reason students are assessed is to guide instruction-its also evaluation teacher competency and of the school meeting its obligations.
    Correct, the the CC test is used for the latter purpose. Diagnostic and teacher made tests, writing and math samples, and reading inventories do a much better job of assessing students to guide instruction

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    Id love to see some citations of that, please--its the first Ive heard of that-and if its true I want to know about it.
    Check out Snopes. It has a pretty good explanation. It would't let me copy and paste pertinent parts, so you'll have to click the link.






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    Dont make a mistake-im no fan of common core. I wasn't thrilled about no child left behind until I found that it raised scores. But since it did-it should be defended.
    It only raised test scores because it mandated teaching to the test. Don't be fooled by common core or state standard test scores. They are a poor measure of student achievement. NCLB, "race to the top", and the Department of Education need to all be discontinued.


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    Here in california the teachers unions are actively against home schooling, despite higher scores by 30% or so.
    Unions are going to be against anything that decreases the number of teaching jobs. Like I said, home schooling is a mixed bag. If you were to examine the achievement levels of students who have parents who are involved enough gto actually carry on a home schooling program, you'd find those levels to be considerably higher also.

    I personally support the idea, but then, I don't think compulsory education is such a good idea either. My libertarian lean sometimes conflicts with the teacher's union position.


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    You dont think the parents of troubled kids wouldnt support a private school if it raised scores? Are you for vouchers?
    If vouchers actually paid the cost of any school, public or private, (which the only plan proposed in Cali did not do), if it exempted religious instruction, if public as well as private schools could set standards and then refuse to accept a student who did not qualify, then I'd be for vouchers. So far, I've never seen any such plan proposed, have you?

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    Not surprised to hear that. Its a good thing objective standards exist for this reason amongst others.
    and it would be a lot better if those objective standards were accurate, valid, and reliable. The common Core test is not.


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    can be fired, how does 3 years of competency mean someone should be hard to fire?
    It proves that they are competent.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Math is about more than that because it objectively represents abstraction.

    You arent doing anyone a favor by giving some credit for an incorrect answer unless you feel the test is for you and not the student.
    I'm calling this a Red herring. Who said that the CC or the PARCC allows wrong answers? Everything I've read shows the opposite. They must fluently multiply and divide within 100, using strategies such as the relationship between multiplication and division. -CC standard

    First, any answer they give must demostrate fluency. Type II tasks call for written arguments/justifications, critique of reasoning, or precision in mathematical statements (MP. 3, 6). These tasks can also involve other mathematical practice standards. Type III tasks call for modeling/application in a real-world context or scenario (MP.4) and can also involve other mathematical practice standards. Grade 3 - Mathematics | PARCC


    A construct problem makes a student demonstrate all three tasks. Task I and III seem rational while Task II doesn't seem appropriate for most 3rd graders. It will lend a correct answer to loose points not gain them even if they knew the correct answer with fluency and could demonstrate the model in part III. Construct problems will weigh heavily on the final grade. I'm just unsure how many the test will include. Verbal arguments are not developmentally appropriate for 9 year olds IMHO. That should be reserved for older grades.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I'm calling this a Red herring. Who said that the CC or the PARCC allows wrong answers? Everything I've read shows the opposite. They must fluently multiply and divide within 100, using strategies such as the relationship between multiplication and division. -CC standard

    First, any answer they give must demostrate fluency. Type II tasks call for written arguments/justifications, critique of reasoning, or precision in mathematical statements (MP. 3, 6). These tasks can also involve other mathematical practice standards. Type III tasks call for modeling/application in a real-world context or scenario (MP.4) and can also involve other mathematical practice standards. Grade 3 - Mathematics | PARCC


    A construct problem makes a student demonstrate all three tasks. Task I and III seem rational while Task II doesn't seem appropriate for most 3rd graders. It will lend a correct answer to loose points not gain them even if they knew the correct answer with fluency and could demonstrate the model in part III. Construct problems will weigh heavily on the final grade. I'm just unsure how many the test will include. Verbal arguments are not developmentally appropriate for 9 year olds IMHO. That should be reserved for older grades.
    Read through the thread, it appears you are missing context.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Read through the thread, it appears you are missing context.
    I've read the thread and complaining about either CC or PARCC giving credit to wrong answers IS A RED HERRING. It does not.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    I've read the thread and complaining about either CC or PARCC giving credit to wrong answers IS A RED HERRING. It does not.
    If you have read through this you know I wasn't referring to the tests you mention. Rather I was referring to the testing of math in general.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    If you have read through this you know I wasn't referring to the tests you mention. Rather I was referring to the testing of math in general.
    Well on high stake testing it does matter because students, teachers and schools will be graded and punished or rewarded on the results.

    Edit to add: Students must now be graded using CC standards so if fluency isn't there they will get a 1. Again, what happened in the past has nothing to do with CC or PARCC.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Well on high stake testing it does matter because students, teachers and schools will be graded and punished or rewarded on the results.
    Not students. Just teachers and schools.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Not students. Just teachers and schools.
    Yes, high school students may not get a diploma if they don't show proficiency.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Well on high stake testing it does matter because students, teachers and schools will be graded and punished or rewarded on the results.

    Edit to add: Students must now be graded using CC standards so if fluency isn't there they will get a 1. Again, what happened in the past has nothing to do with CC or PARCC.
    Im no fan of govt interference, or top down control-but the achievements of public schools are horrible and unions look after themselves. At least NCLB raised scores.

    Im hearing many teachers justifying mediocrity. I think we can do better.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Yes, high school students may not get a diploma if they don't show proficiency.
    Isnt that the point of a diploma?

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