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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    In the world the correct answer is valued.

    This isnt some mystical concept, its an objective science.
    In the real world, math is about more than that

    Like I said, there seems to be a lot about math that you don't understand.

    For example, what is the answer to this equation:

    x = y2 + 3z + 4
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In the real world, math is about more than that

    Like I said, there seems to be a lot about math that you don't understand.

    For example, what is the answer to this equation:

    x = y2 + 3z + 4
    Math is about more than that because it objectively represents abstraction.

    You arent doing anyone a favor by giving some credit for an incorrect answer unless you feel the test is for you and not the student.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    So make the answer a write in, or bubble in. Hows that sound?
    which is what cc did, and what you objected to
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Math is about more than that because it objectively represents abstraction.
    Well, now you're contradicting your assertion that math is all about getting the correct answer.

    You arent doing anyone a favor by giving some credit for an incorrect answer unless you feel the test is for you and not the student.
    I don't know where you got that. It looks like you're getting desperate enough to pull things out of your ass.

    Where did I say anything about any test being for me? At my age, the only test I worry about is the prostate exam.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Well, now you're contradicting your assertion that math is all about getting the correct answer.

    I said objectively.

    I don't know where you got that. It looks like you're getting desperate enough to pull things out of your ass.

    Where did I say anything about any test being for me? At my age, the only test I worry about is the prostate exam.
    The only thing pulled out of anyones backside is the attempted justification of subjective grading of objective studies. Its not a path to competence, let alone success. Stop making excuses, our kids can rise to the occasion.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    which is what cc did, and what you objected to
    Where exactly did I object to that?

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Where exactly did I object to that?
    here:
    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Perhaps partial credit might be appropriate in homework and classwork, but for tests (evaluative not formative) I disagree.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here:
    You misunderstood. My first comments were regarding partial credit where technique was generally correct, but the answer was not.

    The second was regarding how to enter the answer on a test-multiple choice vs write/bubble in.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The only thing pulled out of anyones backside is the attempted justification of subjective grading of objective studies. Its not a path to competence, let alone success. Stop making excuses, our kids can rise to the occasion.
    You seem to think that adding the word "objective" somehow changes what you said. Here is what you said:

    The technique is a means to an end. That end would be the correct answer.
    As I've shown, the "end" is not a "correct answer" but understanding.

    Calling math an "objective study" is nonsense. Making up terms like "objective study" doesn't make your argument make sense
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This has always been a problem, but what you are saying is the union is there for you, not the student. Im fine with that, I just hear many special interest groups say they are benevolent caretakers of the people when really its about them.
    Of course the union is there for the teacher. The teachers pay them and expect them to be there for them. It's like hiring a lawyer. Do you expect that lawyer to be on your side, or simply just do what is right for the good of all?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    ONE reason students are assessed is to guide instruction-its also evaluation teacher competency and of the school meeting its obligations.
    Correct, the the CC test is used for the latter purpose. Diagnostic and teacher made tests, writing and math samples, and reading inventories do a much better job of assessing students to guide instruction

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    Id love to see some citations of that, please--its the first Ive heard of that-and if its true I want to know about it.
    Check out Snopes. It has a pretty good explanation. It would't let me copy and paste pertinent parts, so you'll have to click the link.






    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Dont make a mistake-im no fan of common core. I wasn't thrilled about no child left behind until I found that it raised scores. But since it did-it should be defended.
    It only raised test scores because it mandated teaching to the test. Don't be fooled by common core or state standard test scores. They are a poor measure of student achievement. NCLB, "race to the top", and the Department of Education need to all be discontinued.


    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Here in california the teachers unions are actively against home schooling, despite higher scores by 30% or so.
    Unions are going to be against anything that decreases the number of teaching jobs. Like I said, home schooling is a mixed bag. If you were to examine the achievement levels of students who have parents who are involved enough gto actually carry on a home schooling program, you'd find those levels to be considerably higher also.

    I personally support the idea, but then, I don't think compulsory education is such a good idea either. My libertarian lean sometimes conflicts with the teacher's union position.


    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You dont think the parents of troubled kids wouldnt support a private school if it raised scores? Are you for vouchers?
    If vouchers actually paid the cost of any school, public or private, (which the only plan proposed in Cali did not do), if it exempted religious instruction, if public as well as private schools could set standards and then refuse to accept a student who did not qualify, then I'd be for vouchers. So far, I've never seen any such plan proposed, have you?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Not surprised to hear that. Its a good thing objective standards exist for this reason amongst others.
    and it would be a lot better if those objective standards were accurate, valid, and reliable. The common Core test is not.


    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    can be fired, how does 3 years of competency mean someone should be hard to fire?
    It proves that they are competent.

    If every teacher who ever got crosswise with the administration or with a parent were fired, there would be no one left.
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