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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    The majority of the beef with Common Core isn't the standards themselves or the teacher accountability --- it's the massive amount of data that will be collected and recorded about their child.

    I actually like the teacher evaluation process (from what I've learned about it anyway). The union hates it.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Bashing Teacher's Unions for protecting ****ty teachers overlooks a greater factor, NEPOTISM..
    Know a board member, get a job..
    Go to same high school and you're a male and a coach, get a special ed job for life..
    Bang the boss, go on tenure no matter how bad you are..
    Know the cliques..STFO of education if you have thin skin..
    All new teachers should have taken the course on real-life in schools..
    Know who the power parents are, who the kids of board members and school emplyees are, obviously the golden rule with custodians and secretaries .
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    If it is a conservative idea, why are the most conservative states rejecting it? Why are the most outspoken conservatives in our nation demanding a stop to it? Why are progressive states embracing it?
    After NCLB there was some intellectual rejection from both conservatives and liberals, while plenty of both accepted the basic precepts of accountability and improvement. Some decided that a nationally-accepted curriculum, however "improved" (and as you said, this is highly contentious), is dangerous and harmful. I think when national initiatives fail, there is the possibility that conservatives will reject it for different reasons from liberals doing the same. They will revert to state and local control, not necessarily concern about teachers being the experts in the field, and so forth. It turns into a debate of federalism, not pedagogy.

    However, what conservatives are particularly sensitive toward, at least in this case, is what they see as propaganda relating to the social sciences and history. They tend to be much less worried about mathematics and science, as there is less radicalism in those subjects. Involve all subject matters and it becomes worrying. It was only the mid-90s when we last went through some of it. Nothing as strong has happened yet, but in those days, what people looked at was "teacher examples" and some approved textbooks.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Since Junior year is ACT and PSAE in Illinois on 2 days, we wrongfully don't make all of our juniors take a test prep course all year..Those schools with all the gold have had these classes in place for decades..

    It would take at least a week to teach just one of the seven science passages, with all of its reading, tables, graphs and pictorials..Reading on the ACT has a ton of social science and history passages, at 10 minutes each times 4 for a 40 minute test..

    Unless a school starts to make this a continuity thing, test scores for average kids will stay below average and math will get worse after what I took today as an example, 60 word/involved problems in 60 minutes, with more multi-question passages like science but required knowledge needed.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    After NCLB there was some intellectual rejection from both conservatives and liberals, while plenty of both accepted the basic precepts of accountability and improvement. Some decided that a nationally-accepted curriculum, however "improved" (and as you said, this is highly contentious), is dangerous and harmful. I think when national initiatives fail, there is the possibility that conservatives will reject it for different reasons from liberals doing the same. They will revert to state and local control, not necessarily concern about teachers being the experts in the field, and so forth. It turns into a debate of federalism, not pedagogy.

    However, what conservatives are particularly sensitive toward, at least in this case, is what they see as propaganda relating to the social sciences and history. They tend to be much less worried about mathematics and science, as there is less radicalism in those subjects. Involve all subject matters and it becomes worrying. It was only the mid-90s when we last went through some of it. Nothing as strong has happened yet, but in those days, what people looked at was "teacher examples" and some approved textbooks.
    What I think people are conflating here is A) the notion of accountability and holding teachers to standards with B) the particular form of execution by this administration.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What I think people are conflating here is A) the notion of accountability and holding teachers to standards with B) the particular form of execution by this administration.
    But you wouldn't want to hold it down to "this administration," because Common Core, like other nationally-inclined standards, are optional, and precede this administration. We're largely looking at a multi-decade long development, with CC being something out of the 90s, which was in turn inspired from changes made by the Reagan and Bush administrations and all other involved organizations.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    But you wouldn't want to hold it down to "this administration," because Common Core, like other nationally-inclined standards, are optional, and precede this administration. We're largely looking at a multi-decade long development, with CC being something out of the 90s, which was in turn inspired from changes made by the Reagan and Bush administrations and all other involved organizations.
    I won't deny it's a long-buildup process. If I were to take Obamacare, and change it to include a subsidy for married couples but a $300,000 annual penalty for single parents who attempt or fail to purchase health insurance, that would be building up on a pre-existent process, too. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be abuse in pursuit of conservative goals.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I won't deny it's a long-buildup process. If I were to take Obamacare, and change it to include a subsidy for married couples but a $300,000 annual penalty for single parents who attempt or fail to purchase health insurance, that would be building up on a pre-existent process, too. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be abuse in pursuit of conservative goals.
    I'm skeptical of most attempts to dramatically alter education fortunes, myself. I'm expecting at most some modest gains, but perhaps more likely a lack of measurable success across the board (I won't speculate on harm).
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    If it is a conservative idea, why are the most conservative states rejecting it? Why are the most outspoken conservatives in our nation demanding a stop to it? Why are progressive states embracing it?
    ... It seems like a progressive idea, but if you look at it - CC has been embraced by all. What isn't there to like about it? Organized by private interests, standardized testing for all, high standards, clean out the weak, state run curriculums. Isn't that what conservatives have asked for? Higher standards? They got it. Liberals wanted a standardized curriculum. They got it. Darwinist system for filtering out students who did not meet standards? Libertarian thing. States run it? Done.

    Actually, on that last bit. If you look at it 45 STATES have adopted it all on their own. Are they all run by progressives? Some are but that is still 90% of the country adopting this program. So for you to say this a "progressive" gig is pretty weak when pretty much the entire country has adopted it whether they are conservative or liberal states.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Common Core is a progressive initiative, applauded by Obama, funded through the Race to the Top agenda and accepted whole-heartedly by blue states. Yet you still say it's a conservative idea. LOL!

    If it is a conservative idea, why are the most conservative states rejecting it? Why are the most outspoken conservatives in our nation demanding a stop to it? Why are progressive states embracing it?
    It's the new meme, tie whatever conservatives are complaining about to originally being a conservative idea that was approved upon, this allows the "left" to claim the "right" is whining their idea was bettered and they are being petty. There is a memo out on the web to this effect, think it was on think progress... anyway, it's the current in thing to do.
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