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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    There are times when a student should get partial credit for wrong answers. If it is a complex math problem, for example, and the student does everything right, shows an understanding of the problem and the solution, but then misplaces a decimal point, then partial credit is due. The student is not, after all, calculating the course of a moon lander, and, if he were, someone (several someones in fact) would be checking his work to make sure that all of the decimal points are in the right places.

    Now, how do you know, when the choice is answer a, b, c, d, or e, and the exam is scored by a machine, whether the student understands the problem or not?
    Perhaps partial credit might be appropriate in homework and classwork, but for tests (evaluative not formative) I disagree.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Perhaps partial credit might be appropriate in homework and classwork, but for tests (evaluative not formative) I disagree.
    Giving partial credit does make grading a test a bit more subjective, I'd have to agree. On the other hand, the multiple guess, pick answer a b c or d sort of test, while objective, is quite limited in what it can measure. Moreover, if the student doesn't care what sort of a grade he gets on the test, as is the case with the end of the year tests, then the score is meaningless anyway.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Perhaps partial credit might be appropriate in homework and classwork, but for tests (evaluative not formative) I disagree.
    but if the student showed on the descriptive portion of the test how to solve the problem and entered the wrong answer only because of a common arithmetic error, having nothing to do with knowing how to solve the problem, why would the student not have then displayed a knowledge of the material being tested
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

    And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Giving partial credit does make grading a test a bit more subjective, I'd have to agree. On the other hand, the multiple guess, pick answer a b c or d sort of test, while objective, is quite limited in what it can measure. Moreover, if the student doesn't care what sort of a grade he gets on the test, as is the case with the end of the year tests, then the score is meaningless anyway.
    Im not against it for being subjective-Im against it for being the wrong answer. Math is about getting the right answer. Its one subject were the end result is what really matters.
    There are better subjects for different testing formats, composition for example. Even if the student doesent care, we have a duty to measure achievement.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im not against it for being subjective-Im against it for being the wrong answer. Math is about getting the right answer. Its one subject were the end result is what really matters.
    There are better subjects for different testing formats, composition for example. Even if the student doesent care, we have a duty to measure achievement.
    Agreed, we have a duty to measure achievement. Wouldn't it be best to use an accurate measure, however?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    but if the student showed on the descriptive portion of the test how to solve the problem and entered the wrong answer only because of a common arithmetic error, having nothing to do with knowing how to solve the problem, why would the student not have then displayed a knowledge of the material being tested
    That probably will happen, but the fact is the answer is wrong, due to an error. Again, for learning that may be fine, but math is about getting a correct answer. Its the nature of math to on occasion make an error, does not change the fact that its an error.

    We need to stop babying our students, especially in the hard sciences. Kids in mud huts in asia can do it-so can ours.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Agreed, we have a duty to measure achievement. Wouldn't it be best to use an accurate measure, however?
    You dont think the one correct answer obtained (however the kid learns it) in math is a fair standard?

    There are many subjects where there is flexibility in assessment, but I dont think math is one of them, do you?

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    You dont think the one correct answer obtained (however the kid learns it) in math is a fair standard?

    There are many subjects where there is flexibility in assessment, but I dont think math is one of them, do you?
    I don't think the standardized tests being used to assess the schools currently are accurately measuring what kids have learned. That is an opinion based on having administered the test many times over the years, and observed student behavior during the tests. Many of them could care less what sort of a score they get. They are bored with the whole thing and just want it over as soon as possible.

    Take the test, same questions, same multiple guess answers, use matrix sampling techniques (we used to do that) so that testing is under an hour, better yet, under half an hour, put the questions on a computer, give positive feedback for correct answers, and the scores would adjust to what the students actually know. I think the scores would increase dramatically, but, until it is tried, we won't know for sure.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't think the standardized tests being used to assess the schools currently are accurately measuring what kids have learned. That is an opinion based on having administered the test many times over the years, and observed student behavior during the tests. Many of them could care less what sort of a score they get. They are bored with the whole thing and just want it over as soon as possible.

    Take the test, same questions, same multiple guess answers, use matrix sampling techniques (we used to do that) so that testing is under an hour, better yet, under half an hour, put the questions on a computer, give positive feedback for correct answers, and the scores would adjust to what the students actually know. I think the scores would increase dramatically, but, until it is tried, we won't know for sure.
    I was initially asking specifically about math tests-where there is one answer.

    I take it you are a teacher, I do a bit as well (private vocational school). You seem to think the testing should be fit to the students, and I dont know that I agree. We used to be able to teach kids in one room schoolhouses to a higher standard than today. I dont think the problem is the test. Its multifactorial certainly-but its not the test, though yes-no test is perfect.

    You mention assessing the school-I was talking about assessing the student. I think we both agree whats best for the student is what matters most. Might I ask what you think of private schools and home schooling?

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