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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I think you missed my point. You have to explain your answer regardless, but only get credit if the answer is correct. With that said, they will not get full credit for correct answers unless the verbal part is also fully developed. So, you may have a math genius who can solve math problems using formulas rather easily but suffers weaker language skills (which effects written language) who will no longer receive full credit for his mathematical skills. Someone like Einstein would have been deemed below the standard due to his weak language skills even though he had outstanding visual/ spacial/ perceptual skills. That was the whole point of the article about China. High test scores coupled with low innovation. What if you have an exceptional person in a particular area deemed not good enough to receive proper merit? Outside the box thinkers may not at all be good test takers or even students for that matter. Some of our most innovated people in the US didn't even finish college because they were doers. Schools should be encouraging creative thinking not test taking skills!!!
    On the contrary, I think you miss the point, since my initial post and succeeding arguments are limited young children at the learning stage of “3X4”. As sangha pointed out; some schools give credit just for showing your work, regardless of if the answer is correct (as some sort of incentive). I think this to be a very poor standard.
    Your explanation becomes a strawman regarding literature (language skills) in this context. Perhaps that is the problem with standards such as Common Core that apply learning strategies across the board without respect to the actual elements of what you are trying to teach, and to whom you are trying to teach.

    In the context of my argument (mathematics to young children), ‘creative thinking’ comes later once the logical process is understood.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    On the contrary, I think you miss the point, since my initial post and succeeding arguments are limited young children at the learning stage of “3X4”. As sangha pointed out; some schools give credit just for showing your work, regardless of if the answer is correct (as some sort of incentive). I think this to be a very poor standard.
    Your explanation becomes a strawman regarding literature (language skills) in this context. Perhaps that is the problem with standards such as Common Core that apply learning strategies across the board without respect to the actual elements of what you are trying to teach, and to whom you are trying to teach.

    In the context of my argument (mathematics to young children), ‘creative thinking’ comes later once the logical process is understood.
    So, you weren't talking about CC? If so, exactly what standard allows a child to give the wrong answer? TIA

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    I think so, yeah. I mean, I am not denying financial motives. What I am suggesting is that a large amount of the reason why this exists is because people literally think that quantified data derived from these means provides a means of measuring and improving an entire system.
    Yes, the rationale for the testing program is to provide a means of measuring and improving the entire system. The motivation for it, at least originally, was money. The result has been a test centered curriculum.

    Further, the data are flawed. If we were to use a matrix sample, put the questions on a computer with immediate feedback and rewards for correct answers, then we'd get accurate measures and we'd see the test results increase dramatically.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, you weren't talking about CC? If so, exactly what standard allows a child to give the wrong answer? TIA
    Perhaps that question is better asked to ask the Common Core curriculum director I quoted in my initial post.

    “Even if they said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,” - Amanda August, Common Core Curriculum Coordinator, Chicago, Illinois.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Perhaps that question is better asked to ask the Common Core curriculum director I quoted in my initial post.

    “Even if they said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,” - Amanda August, Common Core Curriculum Coordinator, Chicago, Illinois.
    Oh, thanks for the context or should I say lack of......

    First, Common Core is just a bunch of standards that schools must be held accountable for which is not really my issue. Nothing in the Common Core says that answers are marked correct if they are wrong. What Amanda August was trying to say is that the standards should focus on teaching methods so children can understand how to arrive at an answer. That is logical. If an answer is wrong, we as educators should be more concerned at how a student arrived at the answer not just solely focus on the fact the answer is wrong. Good educators already have been doing that btw.

    My beef is with the PARCC and how the Common Core will be misused to harm students, teachers and schools.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Oh, thanks for the context or should I say lack of......
    The context that answers are marked correct if they are wrong came from the discussion with sangha which ended with his statement, “showing your work got partial credit even if the final answer was wrong”, as he stated was his experience in school (my reply to that is where you entered the discussion) - and which parallels the directors comments. “[E]ven if they said 3x4=11… …we’re really more focused on the how [rather than the answer being correct]” doesn't sound good coming from a supposed educator, especially regarding 2nd or 3rd grade mathematics. I understand what you are saying; that an educator has to know where in the process the child went wrong, in order to steer them back on course. But I think many people express this incorrectly which leads to giving a child credit, even if they got the answer wrong, for no other reason than showing their work.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    My beef is with the PARCC and how the Common Core will be misused to harm students, teachers and schools.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    The context that answers are marked correct if they are wrong came from the discussion with sangha which ended with his statement, “showing your work got partial credit even if the final answer was wrong”, as he stated was his experience in school (my reply to that is where you entered the discussion) - and which parallels the directors comments. “[E]ven if they said 3x4=11… …we’re really more focused on the how [rather than the answer being correct]” doesn't sound good coming from a supposed educator, especially regarding 2nd or 3rd grade mathematics. I understand what you are saying; that an educator has to know where in the process the child went wrong, in order to steer them back on course. But I think many people express this incorrectly which leads to giving a child credit, even if they got the answer wrong, for no other reason than showing their work.



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    Then I apologize. I misunderstood what you were saying. Obviously, Sanga's school experience has nothing to do with Common Core assuming he's been out of school for the last 5 years or so. I thought you were referencing CC standards.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    But I think many people express this incorrectly which leads to giving a child credit, even if they got the answer wrong, for no other reason than showing their work.
    Just to be clear, I didn't say the student got full credit for the question. They got partial credit for the part(s) they got right, while losing points for the part(s) they got wrong.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    There are times when a student should get partial credit for wrong answers. If it is a complex math problem, for example, and the student does everything right, shows an understanding of the problem and the solution, but then misplaces a decimal point, then partial credit is due. The student is not, after all, calculating the course of a moon lander, and, if he were, someone (several someones in fact) would be checking his work to make sure that all of the decimal points are in the right places.

    Now, how do you know, when the choice is answer a, b, c, d, or e, and the exam is scored by a machine, whether the student understands the problem or not?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    This is an example of what many districts are using as a report card since Common Core came into play...

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    Our district was going in that direction too which was really pissing me off. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too complicated, wordy and too much bookkeeping work for teachers. Thankfully, we're going in a much simpler direction. We're changing letter grades to number grades. There won't be any more averaging grades throughout the quarter with percentages. Grades will be determined by using rubrics created for each area of the report card.

    Also bringing homework back will not be part of academic grades - it will be a grade on its own along with effort, participation, punctuality, behavior, etc.


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