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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It looks like our job may be done here, at least for now.

    It has been established that the big tests have created a test centered curriculum that actually serves no one well, that the whole idea was started as a way to make money for people with connections, and that over reliance on test scores makes for poor decision making.

    So, the lovers of the test scores have momentarily gone away. When will they resurface, once again wringing hands and telling the world that our public schools suck due to the test scores that they've seen, and that the schools are indoctrinating children in some liberal mind control plot?
    I wouldn't necessarily agree that test scores were strictly designed to increase profit for certain connected businesses. I would reemphasize that easily quantified data is quite luring in its prospects. It seems to be evidence-based by itself, and could thus tell us a great deal about the state of the American education system. While we have been lured by science for centuries, quantified social science has been a particular popular fascination since the late 19th century and really kicked steam over the past 100 years in terms of centering public policy around it. The problem, of course, was that it told us a lot less than we thought it did, and furthermore, the design of the examinations are also lacking in careful thought.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    that is not how i understand it based on a brief discussion with a HS math teacher this summer regarding the new CC standards. he stated that the math exam is now a two-part test. the students first are given an array of problems and are directed to explain the process they would use to solve those problems. the second segment is the more conventional test when the math solutions are performed. while it imposed more work - and time requirements - the teacher noted that he views this as a better testing instrument since it allows an assessment of the students' true understanding of the material presented


    another outcome - today - might be that Einstein's verbal shortcomings could have been identified and addressed early, enabling him to even better articulate the deepest thoughts that he may have been unable to otherwise convey


    why not both ... or is that too far out of the box?
    japan has long been instructive regarding the culture's deep skills to enhance but weak ability to innovate. and i would posit that it stems from cultural thinking; one that says 'the nail that sticks up gets hammered down'. homogenous thinking/acting is instilled into their kids from birth. the individual is expected to sacrifice for the whole. our culture's attitude is quite different. we praise those who differentiate themselves from the pack. my point is that test taking skills are not the difference in approach. it is cultural distinctions. we should not hinder those traits which allow our people to develop in unconventional/out-of-the box ways. but neither should we hinder the development of skills - especially STEM skills - which will provide our kids the personal toolbox to use to develop innovations. and testing is the mechanism to allow the teachers to assess which of the students can go forward to master more difficult material and which require remedial instruction essential to have the understanding necessary to proceed toward more difficult study. without such testing, we find the schools teaching to the lowest common denominator ... a tragic practice which slows the development - and love of learning - of the brighter students
    I can't speak for the HS level since I currently teach 3rd grade. Perhaps, he feels it appropriate for HS students but what I am saying is I have deep concerns for younger students. When we are looking at test devices for them they should without a doubt be developmentally appropriate, otherwise, it's not a valid assessment. This issue has been brought forward already by developmental experts. Perhaps, things will change. I don't know. All I know for fact is that two states did field testing with dismal results. In my mind red flags are happening. If these weren't high stake test, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation.

    Here is the reason I question how developmentally appropriate the test is: This task asks students to demonstrate their understanding and explain their thinking in ways to which many American students have not been exposed. Future research might address more broadly how students respond to tasks that call for deep understanding, supported by precise explanations, and what the influence of such assessment tasks might be on instruction.
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    Precise explanation through written language skills is another measurement and should not be part of mathematical logic IMHO. We have been giving our children open responses once a week for test practice and not only do they have to solve a word problem and show their work and math equation (old standard which is expected in MA) but now they have to write nearly a page long essay on their critical analysis of the problem which is hard for over half the class. Keep in mind these are NOT norm reference test where a bell curve is expected. These are criterion reference test where every single student is expected to master that skill.

    If CC was being used as a baseline, fine. It is not. It is being used as high stake testing for students, teachers, and schools alike. Many states have since dropped out of the PARCC. Quite frankly, I don't blame them.

    Since this post is getting long, I will comment on the rest of your post below.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    another outcome - today - might be that Einstein's verbal shortcomings could have been identified and addressed early, enabling him to even better articulate the deepest thoughts that he may have been unable to otherwise convey


    why not both ... or is that too far out of the box?
    japan has long been instructive regarding the culture's deep skills to enhance but weak ability to innovate. and i would posit that it stems from cultural thinking; one that says 'the nail that sticks up gets hammered down'. homogenous thinking/acting is instilled into their kids from birth. the individual is expected to sacrifice for the whole. our culture's attitude is quite different. we praise those who differentiate themselves from the pack. my point is that test taking skills are not the difference in approach. it is cultural distinctions. we should not hinder those traits which allow our people to develop in unconventional/out-of-the box ways. but neither should we hinder the development of skills - especially STEM skills - which will provide our kids the personal toolbox to use to develop innovations. and testing is the mechanism to allow the teachers to assess which of the students can go forward to master more difficult material and which require remedial instruction essential to have the understanding necessary to proceed toward more difficult study. without such testing, we find the schools teaching to the lowest common denominator ... a tragic practice which slows the development - and love of learning - of the brighter students
    Another thing to keep in mind is the PARCC is not at all similar to international test. They don't include construct responses. Now to respond to your other comment. Standardized testing is a limited measure. Teachers do a wide array of both summative and formative testing as well tons of data driven assessments. If people want this PARCC assessment because they don't think we have enough data, I'm speechless. The joy of school themes and projects (not stated in CC) like the topical rainforest and/or dinosaurs are said by administration to take up too much time. They have it all backwards.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    I wouldn't necessarily agree that test scores were strictly designed to increase profit for certain connected businesses. I would reemphasize that easily quantified data is quite luring in its prospects. It seems to be evidence-based by itself, and could thus tell us a great deal about the state of the American education system. While we have been lured by science for centuries, quantified social science has been a particular popular fascination since the late 19th century and really kicked steam over the past 100 years in terms of centering public policy around it. The problem, of course, was that it told us a lot less than we thought it did, and furthermore, the design of the examinations are also lacking in careful thought.
    Did you happen to catch the post I made above (way back there somewhere) about the McGraw family of McGraw Hill (publishers of the test and of materials to teach what's on the test) and the Bushes?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    What kind of assessment did you use?
    They had to do it on Saxon Math and the state assessments.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Did you happen to catch the post I made above (way back there somewhere) about the McGraw family of McGraw Hill (publishers of the test and of materials to teach what's on the test) and the Bushes?
    I think so, yeah. I mean, I am not denying financial motives. What I am suggesting is that a large amount of the reason why this exists is because people literally think that quantified data derived from these means provides a means of measuring and improving an entire system.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    They had to do it on Saxon Math and the state assessments.
    The MCAS has what we call the long response question which was nothing at all like the construct responses we are being told to do with the students to prepare them for field testing this Spring for PARCC. I've been told PARCC is much longer and will be done twice a year. I've also read two different things about PARCC. One claims it is similar to MCAS in many ways. The other claims it is not at all similar. I guess I will find out soon enough.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

    And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

    "Whoever controls youth, controls the future" was the slogan, given the German National club to the Communist thieves' den.
    Its nothing new. The left controls academia, most of the media (changing though), and popular culture.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Actually really useful for getting students to pipe up about complex topics, who do not want to look stupid or who may zone out. We use it all the time to get students to come out and have extended conversations beyond one or two participants.
    Participating is the bare minimum of what a student is supposed to do in school. It's a given. Now the kids who AREN'T participating should be marked down. Those who are participating shouldn't be marked up for just doing what they're supposed to do.

    Also, many kids are very shy and don't like to speak much in class. They shouldn't get a lower grade just because they're more socially awkward than other kids. Participation grades should be separate from academic grades and it shouldn't just be about speaking in class.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Participating is the bare minimum of what a student is supposed to do in school. It's a given. Now the kids who AREN'T participating should be marked down. Those who are participating shouldn't be marked up for just doing what they're supposed to do.

    Also, many kids are very shy and don't like to speak much in class. They shouldn't get a lower grade just because they're more socially awkward than other kids. Participation grades should be separate from academic grades and it shouldn't just be about speaking in class.
    Granted, it would to some extent impact those of us, like myself who grew up immensely shy, but on the other hand, it has done quite well in encouraging discussion, should the classroom atmosphere prove welcoming. I think we ought to be liberal with it, but I like the policy.
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