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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Understanding the process is required in order to get the answer right. What's you're point?
    No, there's something called "memorization"
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Understanding the process is required in order to get the answer right. What's you're point?
    Learning and understanding the process in order to get the right answer, is the point.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    No, there's something called "memorization"
    The notion that memorization is a bad thing sounds absurd if that’s what you’re implying. It’s a part of the learning process, as I stated.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    The notion that memorization is a bad thing sounds absurd if that’s what you’re implying. It’s a part of the learning process, as I stated.
    Good thing I didn't imply that

    Understanding is also part of the learning process so it should be measured too. That's all I'm saying.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Learning and understanding the process in order to get the right answer, is the point.
    Which is already under current standards, prior to the new Outcome-Based Curriculum, Common Core. I don’t know about you, but I was taught to understand how and why 3x4=12 in like 2nd grade.
    And my teacher never felt that how I got the incorrect answer was ever more important than getting the correct one.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Which is already under current standards, prior to the new Outcome-Based Curriculum, Common Core. I don’t know about you, but I was taught to understand how and why 3x4=12 in like 2nd grade.
    And my teacher never felt that how I got the incorrect answer was ever more important than getting the correct one.
    When I was in the 2nd grade, which was more than 40 years ago, showing your work got partial credit even if the final answer was wrong.

    CC doesn't change this.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    When I was in the 2nd grade, which was more than 40 years ago, showing your work got partial credit even if the final answer was wrong.

    CC doesn't change this.
    Doesn't make much sense to give credit for getting the wrong answer, showing your work or not. Our experiences are different on that matter.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Doesn't make much sense to give credit for getting the wrong answer, showing your work or not. Our experiences are different on that matter.
    His point is sound. My late mother taught at the U of Cincinnati, many of the girls at UC were from the Catholic School system which is rather large in Cincinnati. My mother could always tell students from such schools. They had wonderful handwriting and had memorized the facts (my mother taught European History-from crusades to the early industrial era) But they couldn't analyze whatsoever since at the time (1950s) the all girl catholic schools taught through rote memory-I guess they figured their students were going to be headed for a career of popping out 3-6 puppies rather than say being bank executives, lawyers or financial analysts or others who had to analyze complex and myriad numbers of facts.

    showing your work process indicates an attempt of analysis. For example, one of my mother's exams to her students was

    The black plague killed almost a quarter of the population of many european nation states. Discuss the impact of the plague on European commerce. Well the Catholic girls students could recite the deaths and the direct impact caused by massive deaths but they missed some of the stuff that would come from a thorough analysis including the acceleration of the decline of the feudal system and a strengthening of the early unions called guilds because skilled workers became scarcer and thus more valuable
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    His point is sound. My late mother taught at the U of Cincinnati, many of the girls at UC were from the Catholic School system which is rather large in Cincinnati. My mother could always tell students from such schools. They had wonderful handwriting and had memorized the facts (my mother taught European History-from crusades to the early industrial era) But they couldn't analyze whatsoever since at the time (1950s) the all girl catholic schools taught through rote memory-I guess they figured their students were going to be headed for a career of popping out 3-6 puppies rather than say being bank executives, lawyers or financial analysts or others who had to analyze complex and myriad numbers of facts.

    showing your work process indicates an attempt of analysis. For example, one of my mother's exams to her students was

    The black plague killed almost a quarter of the population of many european nation states. Discuss the impact of the plague on European commerce. Well the Catholic girls students could recite the deaths and the direct impact caused by massive deaths but they missed some of the stuff that would come from a thorough analysis including the acceleration of the decline of the feudal system and a strengthening of the early unions called guilds because skilled workers became scarcer and thus more valuable
    A catholic girls school is an extreme example I say. As an atheist, I know all too well the problems you mention in that regard, but then, those are private schools as opposed to public schools. Not to mention we're talking about much younger students that are still at the 3x4 learning level of mathematics, rather than college level analysis of history.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by TML View Post
    Doesn't make much sense to give credit for getting the wrong answer, showing your work or not. Our experiences are different on that matter.
    Whether or not your school did it doesn't really affect my point. The fact that this has been around for so long proves that it's not something that is new or unique to CC.
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