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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    I think it's because, despite learning about this "pages ago", a the top of this page you said
    Changing a standard is different then just ignoring it or adding your own standard in.

    I'm not sure what other way to say it --- You cannot change the wording of a standard. You can't manipulate a standard to say what you want it to say. They're copyrighted.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Again, I've already told you that you can add or subtract from Common Core standards, but you'll then be setting up your students to fail the Common Core testing if you don't teach them standards they'll be tested on. I'm not sure why you're harping on something that we already learned pages ago...
    I'm sorry Josie, but you didn't. This is #401 from yesterday.

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    No, they cannot change a standard. Period. The standards are protected by copyright laws. Even if a district or state thinks a standard is too difficult so they aren't going to require their students to meet it, the kids will still be TESTED on it with the PARCC assessments.
    That is what I addressed and when I did earlier,#400, #401 was your response. Your comment about the video, pages ago did not refer to the 15% allowance either. Since you agree, it's a dead point, but I wasn't harping.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Here's an example of what teachers now have to do under Common Core...

    I have students (several, actually) who read above grade level. They also get As on all of their math tests. Spelling words are waaaay too easy for them and they're writing like 3rd graders. They aren't the kids who need massive amounts of small group and one-on-one time with me and others to get them up to speed. They are really good at teaching themselves when I give them challenging work. Even though these kids are way ahead, way above grade level, ahead of the standards, I still have to look at them with a microscope. I can't just give them an A anymore and call it a day. No. I have to go through every standard under the umbrella of language arts and provide direct examples and documentation showing how I know they're doing well. And not just that I know they're meeting the standard, I have to show specific examples of how I know they're exceeding the standards. And then I have to do the same thing with math, social skills/behavior & science and social studies will be coming soon. Why do I have to do all of this stupid paperwork for kids who are obviously way above level when I could be spending that time actually teaching the kids who are way below level?
    Because the federal government says so, and we all know that the government knows what's best for all of us.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Changing a standard is different then just ignoring it or adding your own standard in.

    I'm not sure what other way to say it --- You cannot change the wording of a standard. You can't manipulate a standard to say what you want it to say. They're copyrighted.
    Core Question: Does Copyright Mean States Can't Change The Common Core? | StateImpact Indiana



    Colby says as a rule of thumb, states are encouraged to add no more than 15 percent to the standards. Otherwise, he says it would negate the “commonness” of the standards.

    As for the copyright, the Common Core State Standards are held under a public license that gives states who fully adopt the standards broad permission to use and reprint them. Colby says the main reason for copyrighting the standards was to protect the rights of the states who developed them. He says it also helps protects against charges that the federal government had a hand in writing the Common Core.

    “The copyright proves that the federal government does not own nor control the standards,” writes Colby.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I'm sorry Josie, but you didn't. This is #401 from yesterday.



    That is what I addressed and when I did earlier,#400, #401 was your response. Your comment about the video, pages ago did not refer to the 15% allowance either. Since you agree, it's a dead point, but I wasn't harping.
    From 6 days ago....

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Moving on to Part 2...

    1. The U.S. Constitution leaves educational policy to the States. Because CCSS are national standards with nationalized testing, CCSS is in violation of 3 federal statues --- General Education Provisions Act, Department of Education Provisions Act and Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965.

    2. CCSS is copyrighted. A state, school board, district, teacher may not change or delete anything. They my add a small amount of content - no more than 15% for any area.

    3. If a parent or teacher feels as though something in Common Core isn't working, they cannot go to the school board, administrators or even the governor. Since CCSS are national standards, state or local government cannot change them.

    4. We don't know who is part of the National Governors Association and the CCSSOF (the writers of the CCSS) <<< is that true?

    5. One of the drafters of the math CCSS said the college that students will be prepared for is a community college (she doesn't name this person...)

    6. The Common Core validation committee never found evidence that the CCSS are internationally benchmarked and as rigorous as those in countries whose students score highly on tests (as they once claimed).

    7. The only mathematician (Dr. Milgrim?) on the validation committee said that it's almost a joke that a student will be prepared for university math after completing CC curriculum. Algebra 1 moves from 8th grade to 9th grade making it harder to reach Calculus by high school. Geometry is taught by experimental method << I have no idea what that means. He said by 8th grade, our students will be about 2 years behind those of the highest achieving countries.

    8. Dr. Sandra Stotsky from the validation committee commented on the English Language Arts standards -- she said they were "empty skill sets" and "no accumulation of literacy knowledge". She's afraid the reading level that CCSS calls "college-ready" will be about 7th grade level. There's a large emphasis on technical books and non-fiction and less on literature. CC includes no British literature except a little Shakespeare (not sure if that's true of all CC curriculum).


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    And going onto the rest of the article.......

    But critics of the Common Core say the copyright limits the changes Indiana policymakers might make to change or improve the standards.

    Indianapolis parent Erin Tuttle is co-founder of the group Hoosiers Against the Common Core. She helped lead the statehouse push to require a more formal review of the standards. She says the chief problem with nationally-crafted academic standards is that Indiana can’t change them.

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    “You cannot change one word of the Common Core standards,” says Tuttle. “You can only add 15 percent. That is different than in the past, where if a standard was problematic, we could change it. Now we can’t do that. Our standards are adopted verbatim. They are copyrighted. There are licensing and uses requirements as part of that adoption.”

    Colby says that’s not quite right — states can make subtractions and changes. But they do so at their own peril, as common assessments being developed by two national consortia test the Common Core as it’s written.

    What’s more likely is states could change when a standard is taught. For example, a third grader that had already mastered all of the Common Core’s grade-level expectations could begin learning fourth grade content.

    In other words, shifting standards a grade earlier presents no problems, says Colby. However, delaying the teaching of a standard to a later grade could hurt the student’s progression towards college- and career-readiness.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    From 6 days ago....
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    From 6 days ago....
    Then why have you contradicted yourself?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    We cannot subtract unless it's not essential to Common Core. If we feel a standard on Common Core is way too difficult for our students (as rabbit has pointed out), there's nothing to be done about it. The school board can't change it, the administrators can't change it..... it's taking education out of local hands.

    This was in response to my post #400, quoted below.
    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    No, they cannot change a standard. Period. The standards are protected by copyright laws. Even if a district or state thinks a standard is too difficult so they aren't going to require their students to meet it, the kids will still be TESTED on it with the PARCC assessments.
    And those posts were made after the one you quoted here and so I was addressing them. I even mentioned in post #400 that I didn't see you mention 15%.
    Yes the state can add or subtract up to the 15%, and no one is enforcing that. They suggest not going beyond 15%, one direction or the other or the kids may not meet the CC goals. I don't see in that post that you mentioned the ability to add or subtract 15%. If any state won't allow their district to make changes, that's on the state and that's where Rabbit's concern should be addressed.
    So now it's settled. You agree that CC standard can be changed but the suggestion is to make a change no more than plus or minus 15%.
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    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    And going onto the rest of the article.......
    Yes and I mentioned that, but couldn't quote the passage because of fair use.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    There is a 15% rule (guideline, no one is enforcing it) that a state can make changes.


    Core Question: Does Copyright Mean States Can't Change The Common Core? | StateImpact Indiana

    That site has a lot of information. Because of fair use I cannot copy in more but it says that the standards can be shifted, delayed. Most states are adding to rather than subtracting and it does make sense not to subtract too much or the kids won't reach the standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Changing a standard is different then just ignoring it or adding your own standard in.

    I'm not sure what other way to say it --- You cannot change the wording of a standard. You can't manipulate a standard to say what you want it to say. They're copyrighted.

    He says it also helps protects against charges that the federal government had a hand in writing the Common Core.

    ďThe copyright proves that the federal government does not own nor control the standards,Ē writes Colby.
    We now agree, the copyright does not infringe upon the ability of states to make additions or subtractions.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    ....which we agreed on the entire time. *facepalm*

    Can we move on to the more important negative aspects of Common Core?


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