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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Students in special education, primarily. I'm saying that sometimes the existing structure ends up working better for the students than a decentralized and stripped down bureaucracy would. Sometimes best practices are left to the teachers, however, as you may recall, most of that work is researched and implemented by administrative staff above the individual school.
    Of course there would have to be allowances made for special education. Student with special needs would have to generate more revenue than those without.

    As for research, that's best conducted by the universities, then made available to principals and teachers.

    That reminds me of yet another problem with the curriculum: Quite often, the "best practices" are based not on research, but on politics and fads.

    As an example, I can remember having had the practice of writer's workshop promoted, then required. I later found out that the "research" conducted to find out how effective this method was was based on six subjects, all children of college professors.

    Then, there were the fads: Robert's English, individualized instruction, whole language, new math, none of them actually vetted by research, all of them put into practice in schools.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Of course there would have to be allowances made for special education. Student with special needs would have to generate more revenue than those without.

    As for research, that's best conducted by the universities, then made available to principals and teachers.
    Universities act in partnership with school districts and state departments, but they frequently are not the ones pumping out the materials. Individuals from the universities make up an incredibly small portion of policy evaluation and adjustments, and rightly so. State agencies not connected to the universities make up much to most of the research and implementation in a given area. Part of this is, ironically, because of the same complaint you had about the Ivory tower. I have an incredibly hard time believing that universities and individual schools or individual districts can make up for the gains we've been making with the traditional bureaucracy.

    That reminds me of yet another problem with the curriculum: Quite often, the "best practices" are based not on research, but on politics and fads.
    Yes, that is true, but that's the nature of the beast. Sometimes it is fads, other times it is not. Market-based solutions, also are subject to the fad problem, as Ravitch is mostly right in pointing out.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Universities act in partnership with school districts and state departments, but they frequently are not the ones pumping out the materials. Individuals from the universities make up an incredibly small portion of policy evaluation and adjustments, and rightly so. State agencies not connected to the universities make up much to most of the research and implementation in a given area. Part of this is, ironically, because of the same complaint you had about the Ivory tower. I have an incredibly hard time believing that universities and individual schools or individual districts can make up for the gains we've been making with the traditional bureaucracy.



    Yes, that is true, but that's the nature of the beast. Sometimes it is fads, other times it is not. Market-based solutions, also are subject to the fad problem, as Ravitch is mostly right in pointing out.
    yes, market based solutions: Just get a fad started, then make the materials needed, and you can make a fortune. Of course, it helps to have allies in high places. Did you catch the part about the big test, McGraw Hill, and the Bushes? Follow the money.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    yes, market based solutions: Just get a fad started, then make the materials needed, and you can make a fortune. Of course, it helps to have allies in high places. Did you catch the part about the big test, McGraw Hill, and the Bushes? Follow the money.
    Yes, but I have not expressed any opposition to that analysis, either.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    You're right - I had an active role of choosing a curriculum ---- Crap A or Crap B.
    States and districts can add or subtract from the offered curriculums. Did your district or state do that?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Conservatives are about doing things in the traditional way. When it comes to education, the way was to rely on a specific set of knowledge that should be taught. They had a canon for literature, science, and philosophy. Two of the most well-known proponents of the canon for literature are Alan and Harold Bloom (no relation) both of whom are conservative.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    So the OP started an anti-Common Core thread... looks like he's taking his right-wing marching orders seriously:

    Fierce opposition to the standards looks like a grassroots movement, but a deeper look is revealing. In the Politico story, Stephanie Simon and Nirvi Shah write that Common Core opponents, "project an image of scrappy grassroots gumption: One rancher in Alabama said he would sell off a cow to cover the costs of an anti-Common Core town hall. But they’re backed by an array of organizations with multimillion dollar budgets of their own and much experience in mobilizing crowds and lobbying lawmakers, including The Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity, the Pioneer Institute, Concerned Women for America and FreedomWorks."

    Well looky here... surprise surprise surprise.

    Koch brother organizations say jump and all the sudden we have conservatives jump.

    Actually its no surprise.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    So the OP started an anti-Common Core thread... looks like he's taking his right-wing marching orders seriously:

    Fierce opposition to the standards looks like a grassroots movement, but a deeper look is revealing. In the Politico story, Stephanie Simon and Nirvi Shah write that Common Core opponents, "project an image of scrappy grassroots gumption: One rancher in Alabama said he would sell off a cow to cover the costs of an anti-Common Core town hall. But they’re backed by an array of organizations with multimillion dollar budgets of their own and much experience in mobilizing crowds and lobbying lawmakers, including The Heritage Foundation, Americans for Prosperity, the Pioneer Institute, Concerned Women for America and FreedomWorks."

    Well looky here... surprise surprise surprise.

    Koch brother organizations say jump and all the sudden we have conservatives jump.

    Actually its no surprise.
    Some of it is somewhat interesting as well, considering the Heritage Foundation was one of the driving forces behind the movement which intellectually informed the CC.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    [QUOTE=trfjr;1062514043 why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

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    Ahhhhhhh....probably because they are, I don't know....uh.....educated!!!! Doh!
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