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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Take a look at this stat from what I posted to Ditto...

    "1 in 6 students attend a dropout factory. 1 in 3 minority students (32 percent) attend a dropout factory, compared to 8 percent of white students."

    The federal government treats everything with a 'one size fits all' approach, and to top it all off the federal government, and the dept of ed. in the control of liberal union run, pie in the sky, protect ourselves at all costs, damn the children attitude is what is wrong...Fix that, and you bring crime down.

    Another stat for ya....

    "In the U.S., high school dropouts commit about 75 percent of crimes."
    I get that (disagree with the characterization of the DOE doing one-size-fits all, because it doesn't), but how does closing the DOE and giving more local control dramatically alter the outcomes of students when they reach the age of 16? Then on top of that, how does this dramatically alter poverty statistics?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What did I just post?

    Did I say that schools were doing OK, or that serious reforms (which I've already suggested) are in order?

    Go back and check. I'm pretty sure I made the reforms remark, but, then, I'm getting old and forgetful.
    No, you said that, but when you add...

    "I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

    Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story..."

    I find it hard to trust that the reforms you speak of would address the problem.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    The irony of closing down the DOE is that they provide the most funds to the most poverty ridden students in the most poverty ridden states. Take that away and you are only cutting off funds to poor states.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you said that, but when you add...

    "I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

    Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story..."

    I find it hard to trust that the reforms you speak of would address the problem.
    High stake testing is no way to reform the poverty gap that exist in education. It will only make it wider. Until we have a true discussion about poverty, reforms are going to be minimal at best.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Until we have a true discussion about poverty, reforms are going to be minimal at best.
    I don't know if I can agree with that idea. I think most reforms we will do will run into numerous problems surrounding assumptions behind the reforms, and on top of that, actually being able to systematically improve matters.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms | Fox News

    And this is how liberalism gained a foot hold in todays politics. with them propagandizing our children over the generations. why do you think most teachers and college professor lean to the left

    "Whoever controls youth, controls the future" was the slogan, given the German National club to the Communist thieves' den.
    I had to return to Alabama for a short time. While there, my oldest daughter had a teacher that was extremely conservative and was actually speaking to the children about his political views. I was stunned as I've never encountered anything like this. This school still practiced paddling children also. After a few months I was able to return to my home state but it saddens me that the South is still indoctrinating children with hate messages...and getting away with it.

    Liberalism is what this country was built on. Men died in the Civil War for Liberty. So what is it that you are complaining about?? The now right wingers are totally out of control and there is a reason behind that. All you have to do is read history.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I don't know if I can agree with that idea. I think most reforms we will do will run into numerous problems surrounding assumptions behind the reforms, and on top of that, actually being able to systematically improve matters.
    Kind of like what is happening now.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I get that (disagree with the characterization of the DOE doing one-size-fits all, because it doesn't), but how does closing the DOE and giving more local control dramatically alter the outcomes of students when they reach the age of 16? Then on top of that, how does this dramatically alter poverty statistics?
    It is kind of simple in that respect IMHO....Giving more localized control allows for more say among the educators that know their students the best. As for poverty? Come on, really? If you improve graduation rates, you start to solve the poverty problem.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by spiralintotruth View Post
    Liberalism is what this country was built on. Men died in the Civil War for Liberty. So what is it that you are complaining about?? The now right wingers are totally out of control and there is a reason behind that. All you have to do is read history.
    Point 1: Somewhat debatable, especially the ramifications of the term itself. The liberalism you may be citing can end up being significantly different from what you think it means. Likewise, there were many that were a bit more on the side of prior assumptions of good governance and the natural society (more monarchist, more hierarchical conservative).

    Point 2: If you mean against slavery->you would mostly be false. The war itself had the undercurrents of the implications of slavery as opposed to more modern industrial capitalism, but the men themselves were not doing so. The war turned to an explicit war of abolitionism quite a bit later.

    Point 3: I would suggest a more careful reading of history, as well.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is kind of simple in that respect IMHO....Giving more localized control allows for more say among the educators that know their students the best. As for poverty? Come on, really? If you improve graduation rates, you start to solve the poverty problem.
    The problem is you're making a large number of assumptions. By closing the federal DOE, you're assuming that the State DOE and the local districts will be able to not only pick up the slack (a difficult proposition for anyone that knows state funding), but will also be able to thus increase graduation rate. So already, you added at least two separate problems needing to be solved, and they are not easy ones to tackle. Next set of assumptions: doing all of this will dramatically attack poverty. We do not know this in the slightest, likewise, what we do know is that graduating high school students face a large amount of poverty or unemployment should they not go on to higher education. That being said, can we actually dramatically alter these fortunes? Past efforts shows us we incredibly come up short, in part, because we make too many assumptions, and on top of that, know far less than we think we do about these problems.

    Such was the problem liberals faced, and many did not own up to.
    A message to both the Left and the Right. Ari Ne'eman-"People with disabilities deserve better than to be used as props in the country’s ongoing — and so far stalemated — arguments over gun control." https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/201...-obama-liberty

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