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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's a cop out...I don't buy for a second that you believe that our education system is just fine.
    Oh, I think there are some serious reforms in order, and I've outlined what some of those reforms should be.

    I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

    Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story, for reasons I've already given in this thread.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, we should just accept low rankings? Great, maybe our chant can be "we're last place!"
    Well, in sports, it was more, "That's alright; that's okay; You're still going to be working for us one day."

    yes I went to a snotty school.

    as other societies advance, their scores will improve.

    The more bored a student is with school, the worse their overall performance will be. It is why we need a ton of smaller schools that each have themed curriculum that inspires students by incorporating their interests and directing them to an end. Why look--here's one The school that really means business: UTC Reading is preparing pupils for the world of work - Education News - Education - The Independent

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Were we failing our children 50 years ago, when everything was more or less unquestioned that America was at the top of its game? 70 years ago? 80? 30?

    I sense a tone of crisis, not historical inadequacy. If it can be acknowledged that historically we were "failing" our students, I would like to know how you will overcome what liberals could not with its equally ambitious projects.
    Not saying I could. But if you are arguing that the status quo of perpetuated failure then I can not agree.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Not saying I could. But if you are arguing that the status quo of perpetuated failure then I can not agree.
    Do you think we can seriously diminish poverty through public policy action?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, I think there are some serious reforms in order, and I've outlined what some of those reforms should be.

    I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

    Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story, for reasons I've already given in this thread.
    It is a meme. If test scores really dictated the public attitudes toward education, they would have improved over the last decade, as we have had some modest gains in some categories per those examinations. But no, that's not what's going on. Instead, the public probably thinks things are getting worse.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, I think there are some serious reforms in order, and I've outlined what some of those reforms should be.

    I just don't buy the "failing public schools" meme.

    Nor do I think for a moment that the test scores tell the whole story, or even a very accurate story, for reasons I've already given in this thread.
    Ok then how about drop out rates?

    Every year, over 1.2 million students drop out of high school in the United States alone. That’s a student every 26 seconds – or 7,000 a day.

    About a quarter of high school freshmen fail to graduate from high school on time.

    The U.S., which had one of the highest graduation rates of any developed country, now ranks 22nd out of 27 developed countries.

    The dropout rate has dropped 3 percent from 1990 to 2010 (12.1 percent to 7.4 percent).

    The percentage of Latino students who graduate have significantly increased. In 2010, 71.4 percent received their diploma vs. the 61.4 percent in 2006.
    Asian-American and white students are still far more likely to graduate than Latino and African-American students.
    A high school dropout will earn $200,000 less than a high school graduate over his lifetime. And almost a million dollars less than a college graduate.
    In the U.S., high school dropouts commit about 75 percent of crimes.
    In 2010, 38 states had higher graduation rates. Vermont had the highest rate, with 91.4 percent graduating. And Nevada had the lowest with 57.8 percent of students graduating.

    Almost 2,000 high schools across the U.S. graduate less than 60 percent of their students.

    These “dropout factories” account for over half of the students who leave school every year.

    1 in 6 students attend a dropout factory. 1 in 3 minority students (32 percent) attend a dropout factory, compared to 8 percent of white students.

    11 Facts About High School Dropout Rates | Do Something
    Those stats sound like we are doing ok?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Do you think we can seriously diminish poverty through public policy action?
    Yes, close the Dept. of Ed. Put education back in the local control, and watch for starters.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, close the Dept. of Ed. Put education back in the local control, and watch for starters.
    How would closing the Department of Education dramatically affect poverty statistics?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok then how about drop out rates?



    Those stats sound like we are doing ok?
    Again, if you factor poverty into the equation: In 200708, according to school administrators, the average percentage of 12th-graders in high-poverty secondary schools who graduated with a diploma during the previous year was lower than the average percentage for 12th-graders in low-poverty secondary schools (see table A-24-5). About 68 percent of 12th-graders in high-poverty schools and 91 percent of 12th-graders in low-poverty schools graduated with a diploma. Since 19992000, the average percentage of seniors in high-poverty schools who graduated with a diploma has declined by 18 percentage points, from 86 to 68 percent. In contrast, there was no measurable difference between the 19992000 graduation rate in low-poverty schools and the 200708 rate in low-poverty schools. The Condition of Education - Closer Look 2010 - High-Poverty Public Schools - What are the high school graduation rates for high-poverty schools, according to school administrators?

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok then how about drop out rates?



    Those stats sound like we are doing ok?
    What did I just post?

    Did I say that schools were doing OK, or that serious reforms (which I've already suggested) are in order?

    Go back and check. I'm pretty sure I made the reforms remark, but, then, I'm getting old and forgetful.
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