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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, we should just accept low rankings? Great, maybe our chant can be "we're last place!"
    Unless you want to match the incredibly naive optimism that plagued liberals in the late 20th century, then yes, you'll want to accept much of that reality, and try to reexamine the premise. Do what is somewhat possible to improve matters, but accept the notion that massive change is likely not ever going to happen.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, we should just accept low rankings? Great, maybe our chant can be "we're last place!"
    Do those higher scoring nations try to educate everyone?
    Or do they select the better students to prepare for college level work?

    Test scores don't tell the whole tale.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Do those higher scoring nations try to educate everyone?
    Or do they select the better students to prepare for college level work?

    Test scores don't tell the whole tale.
    That, and so much more

    For one thing, those scores only apply to math, science and reading. What about other subjects? Maybe their results came at the expense of subjects like history, art, etc.

    And then there's those three subjects themselves. Maybe our population reads at a lower grade level, but our students are exposed to a wider range of literature.

    Those three #'s are pretty meaningless on their own.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That, and so much more

    For one thing, those scores only apply to math, science and reading. What about other subjects? Maybe their results came at the expense of subjects like history, art, etc.

    And then there's those three subjects themselves. Maybe our population reads at a lower grade level, but our students are exposed to a wider range of literature.

    Those three #'s are pretty meaningless on their own.
    The most important grand question that needs to be answered: does the higher test score mean that we will be satisfied with the character and quality of education? Will each improvement in test scores mean that Americans will feel better about their education system?

    My feeling on both is no.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Unless you want to match the incredibly naive optimism that plagued liberals in the late 20th century, then yes, you'll want to accept much of that reality, and try to reexamine the premise. Do what is somewhat possible to improve matters, but accept the notion that massive change is likely not ever going to happen.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We are failing our children...Serious change is called for.
    Were we failing our children 50 years ago, when everything was more or less unquestioned that America was at the top of its game? 70 years ago? 80? 30?

    I sense a tone of crisis, not historical inadequacy. If it can be acknowledged that historically we were "failing" our students, I would like to know how you will overcome what liberals could not with its equally ambitious projects.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Do those higher scoring nations try to educate everyone?
    Or do they select the better students to prepare for college level work?

    Test scores don't tell the whole tale.
    That's a cop out...I don't buy for a second that you believe that our education system is just fine.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are you kidding here...In this assessment we rank 27th out of 33 in Math, 22nd out of 33 in Science, and Dead last 33rd place in Reading....Yeah, the system is just fine.....

    Educational Score Performance - Country Rankings



    You're partially right here...There is much more to the story in low performing school systems. Incompetent teachers, Administration that just doesn't care, Drop out rates through the roof, Lack of basic supplies and tools (Back to the administration level problems), and Apathetic parenting. But to say that standards, testing, or curriculum is little, to nothing of the problem, is blame shifting to the max.
    You didn't read my link?

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That, and so much more

    For one thing, those scores only apply to math, science and reading. What about other subjects? Maybe their results came at the expense of subjects like history, art, etc.

    And then there's those three subjects themselves. Maybe our population reads at a lower grade level, but our students are exposed to a wider range of literature.

    Those three #'s are pretty meaningless on their own.
    Reading, Science, and Math are the foundation....Can't build **** without that.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    The 2009 PISA testing administered every three years to 15-year-olds in 60 countries determined U.S. students ranking 14th in reading. The U.S. average score was 500 and the average of all countries assessed was 493. Dr. Gerald N. Tirozzi, executive director of the National Association of Secondary School Principals, did an analysis of the performance of U.S. students based on the prevalence of poverty in the student body of their respective schools determined by rate of free and reduced lunch participation. The overall poverty rate in U.S. schools was established at 21.7 percent, highest of any of the countries tested.

    Tirozzi determined that the average PISA reading score for students in U.S. schools with less than 10 percent student poverty was 551, ranking first compared to the 10 countries with similar poverty numbers. Ruling out the factor of poverty, U.S. educators produce the highest-achieving students of any country in the world.

    The same ranking held for U.S. schools with 10 to 24.9 percent poverty. Remarkably, this group’s average, 527, was higher than the scores of any of the other PISA countries except Korea and Finland.

    U.S. schools with poverty rates between 25 and 49.9 percent (far exceeding any other country tested) scored an average of 502, still in the upper half of all the countries tested.

    In U.S. schools with 50 to 74.9 percent students in poverty, the average PISA score was 471. Students in schools with poverty greater than 75 percent scored 446, outperforming only Mexico. The achievement gap is not a factor of the caliber of leadership and instruction in the U.S. public school system. It reflects the high poverty rates that cluster in the most under-resourced schools in our country.

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