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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Here's why the testing, starting with NCLB was promoted:

    No Bush Left Behind



    and then, there's the link between the Bushes and McGraw/Hill (who also publishes Business Week, the source of the first link:

    The Bushes and the McGraws



    and, then there's Obama, aka Bush III or Bush on steroids.

    Follow the money, and it will lead you to the truth every time.
    Yes, follow the money trail.....

    Aug 1 (Reuters) - The investors gathered in a tony private club in Manhattan were eager to hear about the next big thing, and education consultant Rob Lytle was happy to oblige.

    Think about the upcoming rollout of new national academic standards for public schools, he urged the crowd. If they're as rigorous as advertised, a huge number of schools will suddenly look really bad, their students testing way behind in reading and math. They'll want help, quick. And private, for-profit vendors selling lesson plans, educational software and student assessments will be right there to provide it.

    "You start to see entire ecosystems of investment opportunity lining up," said Lytle, a partner at The Parthenon Group, a Boston consulting firm. "It could get really, really big."

    Indeed, investors of all stripes are beginning to sense big profit potential in public education.

    The K-12 market is tantalizingly huge: The U.S. spends more than $500 billion a year to educate kids from ages five through 18. The entire education sector, including college and mid-career training, represents nearly 9 percent of U.S. gross domestic product, more than the energy or technology sectors.

    Private firms eyeing profits from U.S. public schools | Reuters

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Education will never truly change in this country until more parents start giving a damn.
    Might as well be content with the idea that it won't, then. :P Join our crowd of the: "no matter what you do, you can likely only get marginal improvement, but we must keep going with trying" mantra.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Might as well be content with the idea that it won't, then. :P Join our crowd of the: "no matter what you do, you can likely only get marginal improvement, but we must keep going with trying" mantra.
    IMO, if we want more than marginal improvement, it's going to take more than changing anything the teachers and schools do (as far as teaching goes). There's a host of social factors that need to be addressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    IMO, if we want more than marginal improvement, it's going to take more than changing anything the teachers and schools do (as far as teaching goes). There's a host of social factors that need to be addressed.
    Oh, sure, but the problem is that's an abstract discussion that can hardly be attacked by anyone. Compounding the difficulty is no one is quite sure why education is failing, but we have all convinced ourselves that it surely is failing in this country. Short of examining the negative impact of NCLB and some of the accountability school, it's to the point where I am skeptical of the reach of the claim itself.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Oh, sure, but the problem is that's an abstract discussion that can hardly be attacked by anyone. Compounding the difficulty is no one is quite sure why education is failing, but we have all convinced ourselves that it surely is failing in this country. Short of examining the negative impact of NCLB and some of the accountability school, it's to the point where I am skeptical of the reach of the claim itself.
    At this point, I should probably state that I don't believe that our educational system is failing. I think the large majority of schools are doing a job that could be described as satisfactory to excellent. IMO, the problem is with a small portion of the schools - the worst performers, who are doing a poor job. The problems those schools are having have little to do with the curriculum or a lack of testing or national standards
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Oh, sure, but the problem is that's an abstract discussion that can hardly be attacked by anyone. Compounding the difficulty is no one is quite sure why education is failing, but we have all convinced ourselves that it surely is failing in this country. Short of examining the negative impact of NCLB and some of the accountability school, it's to the point where I am skeptical of the reach of the claim itself.
    I have to agree with you. Looking at 2009 PISA scores and accounting for poverty, we don't look as bad as some of these politicians want us to believe.

    The Answer Sheet - How poverty affected U.S. PISA scores
    The Principal Difference: A School Leadership Blog by Mel Riddile: PISA: It's Poverty Not Stupid

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I have to agree with you. Looking at 2009 PISA scores and accounting for poverty, we don't look as bad as some of these politicians want us to believe.

    The Answer Sheet - How poverty affected U.S. PISA scores
    The Principal Difference: A School Leadership Blog by Mel Riddile: PISA: It's Poverty Not Stupid
    My biggest concern is that I do not believe we were ever at the "top of the class", if you will, for international comparisons. Americans love to bring up the fact that X number of countries outrank us through certain examinations. Well, sure, but how long has it been that way? If I recall correctly, it's been that way for much of the measured 20th century.

    It's part of the conflating issues of American exceptionalism. I think Americans have taken it to mean that they must be the best at everything good and away from everything bad to be exceptional lol. This is regardless if we never were the best at something.

    *American exceptionalism, broadly understood, is the concept that America or the American continents are unique in experience, for better or for worse*
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    At this point, I should probably state that I don't believe that our educational system is failing. I think the large majority of schools are doing a job that could be described as satisfactory to excellent.
    Are you kidding here...In this assessment we rank 27th out of 33 in Math, 22nd out of 33 in Science, and Dead last 33rd place in Reading....Yeah, the system is just fine.....

    Educational Score Performance - Country Rankings

    IMO, the problem is with a small portion of the schools - the worst performers, who are doing a poor job. The problems those schools are having have little to do with the curriculum or a lack of testing or national standards
    You're partially right here...There is much more to the story in low performing school systems. Incompetent teachers, Administration that just doesn't care, Drop out rates through the roof, Lack of basic supplies and tools (Back to the administration level problems), and Apathetic parenting. But to say that standards, testing, or curriculum is little, to nothing of the problem, is blame shifting to the max.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are you kidding here...In this assessment we rank 27th out of 33 in Math, 22nd out of 33 in Science, and Dead last 33rd place in Reading....Yeah, the system is just fine.....
    Newsflash: We never outranked the world, or anywhere near it with standardized examinations. When the U.S. was the unquestioned superpower of superpowers, the greatest economy, the best workers, and the brightest future for all guess what? We always got trounced.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Newsflash: We never outranked the world, or anywhere near it with standardized examinations. When the U.S. was the unquestioned superpower of superpowers, the greatest economy, the best workers, and the brightest future for all guess what? We always got trounced.
    So, we should just accept low rankings? Great, maybe our chant can be "we're last place!"
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