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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Yes, that's how it works.
    But is that what they did? Did they look at the standards and then adapt the curriculum locally?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Terry Holliday seems to be saying that Common Core standards aren't the problem, but rather it's the teachers lack of skills and training...


    What New York learns from Kentucky about Common Core education | Capital New York


    So if students, particularly black students, are falling behind then perhaps it's because a lot of teachers in the inner cities and urban areas weren't that qualified or well trained to begin with....


    Next US education reform: Higher teacher quality - CSMonitor.com


    Once the layers of reform and standardizing are peeled away it becomes clear that the only thing that really matters is the quality of instruction. Even Kentucky’s education commissioner, Terry Holliday seems to recognize that it's the teacher's lack of training and skills that is slowing down the progress and higher test scores in his state.

    As a parent, I would prefer that my kids learn how to think and solve the test problems, rather than just memorize and not understand why that is the answer to the test.
    I'm not surprised Terry Holiday would point the finger at teachers and say in his state they have a lack of skills and/or are poorly trained. Perhaps, as the commissioner he should be embarrassed because if he has poorly trained teachers who are ill prepared for the Common Core that is a reflection on him. After all, this is a top down plan. Why would he use high stakes testing? With that said and all scapegoats aside, did he ever consider that it has little to do with the CC but rather how it's being used or should I say misused? It's not a bad thing to have standards and expectations but the question is how realistic are those expectations on all fronts? Yes, it's fairly new. Some states having more money for training and materials than others. One has to ponder how fair just that one factor is in itself? Then add to the mix students and the high stakes it means to them. What happens to those who are developing writing and reading skills in the younger grades? Will they be deemed failures because a test expects them to be proficient writers who can analyze and synthesis information by critiquing a wide range of POVs and show that in composition form. I'm not talking 5th and 6th grades but by 3rd grade they need to be masters of both those skills. That means children who are still developing those skills simply fail. That is what happen to a wide range of students in both NY and KT where the PARCC was administered. Not just to those "minorities" who probably have "bad" teachers.

    I'm not at all surprised that happened in a wide range of districts especially in poorer areas because not all students come into school with the same skills. Some due to a lack of resources, stimulation so on and so forth. If you compare them to students who come in reading, you already see a wide gap in reading skills. Now add to that brain development. Some brains soak up language rather easily and fluidly. Others struggle and need extra support. Many need practice and guidance. It takes more than 3 years for young children to be masters in reading and writing. Those who have them mastered that young are the exception and not the rule. Raising the bar will not change that unless these people who have developed the test have figured out how to fix the brain into one standard method where all learn the same way using one standard time table. Then every child should without excuse should be masters by ages 8 and 9.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    My prediction is the people who developed the PARCC will make adjustments so the majority of children pass. That is how they do standardized testing which the PARCC is not. It is a criterion reference test. Still, I have a feeling the rubrics they use will have to reflect the standard norm. No matter how much people hate to acknowledge the bell curve exist (especially in my field and I don't know why).....It does.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    My prediction is the people who developed the PARCC will make adjustments so the majority of children pass. That is how they do standardized testing which the PARCC is not. It is a criterion reference test. Still, I have a feeling the rubrics they use will have to reflect the standard norm. No matter how much people hate to acknowledge the bell curve exist (especially in my field and I don't know why).....It does.
    I forgot to include an important word. "norm-reference" in front of standardized test.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    But is that what they did? Did they look at the standards and then adapt the curriculum locally?
    I was on the committee that went through the 2 literacy programs that administrators picked for us to choose from. They picked these two programs because they were already aligned with Common Core standards. Our committee went through every single page of the teacher's manuals, student textbooks, big books, etc. and tallied how many times vocabulary, specific phonics rules, comprehension, fluency, etc. was taught. It was exhausting, to say the least. After we were done with our report, we presented it to the rest of the staff and everyone voted.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Education will never truly change in this country until more parents start giving a damn.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Norm referenced tests: The test is given to a large group, and the mean, median, and standard deviation calculated. Grade level on a norm referenced test means the average (mean) score for that grade level.

    Criterion referenced tests: Start with a goal, a criterion, (expectation of achievement based not on the average for the group tested, but a goal that every student is expected to reach).

    The tests may look similar, but the way they're graded is not.

    The end of the year tests that are meant to grade not students, but schools, are criterion referenced tests. Schools should have taught to this goal, and if kids didn't reach it, then the schools have failed. That's the premise behind the testing.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Norm referenced tests: The test is given to a large group, and the mean, median, and standard deviation calculated. Grade level on a norm referenced test means the average (mean) score for that grade level.

    Criterion referenced tests: Start with a goal, a criterion, (expectation of achievement based not on the average for the group tested, but a goal that every student is expected to reach).

    The tests may look similar, but the way they're graded is not.

    The end of the year tests that are meant to grade not students, but schools, are criterion referenced tests. Schools should have taught to this goal, and if kids didn't reach it, then the schools have failed. That's the premise behind the testing.
    Yes, there is a big difference in how the test are used and interpreted. I'm not sure if the general public realizes how these high stakes test can be very dangerous when they are being used inappropriately. If there is enough backlash, things will change. Already many states have dropped out of PARCC.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I was on the committee that went through the 2 literacy programs that administrators picked for us to choose from. They picked these two programs because they were already aligned with Common Core standards. Our committee went through every single page of the teacher's manuals, student textbooks, big books, etc. and tallied how many times vocabulary, specific phonics rules, comprehension, fluency, etc. was taught. It was exhausting, to say the least. After we were done with our report, we presented it to the rest of the staff and everyone voted.
    So you had an active role, at the local level, in choosing the curriculum. I don't know whether they picked your choice, but it was your district's choice to make.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Here's why the testing, starting with NCLB was promoted:

    No Bush Left Behind

    Across the country, some teachers complain that President George W. Bush's makeover of public education promotes "teaching to the test." The President's younger brother Neil takes a different tack: He's selling to the test. The No Child Left Behind Act compels schools to prove students' mastery of certain facts by means of standardized exams. Pressure to perform has energized the $1.9 billion-a-year instructional software industry.
    and then, there's the link between the Bushes and McGraw/Hill (who also publishes Business Week, the source of the first link:

    The Bushes and the McGraws

    By Jim Trelease, © 2004, 2006

    One of the trademarks of the current reading reform legislation out of Washington is that any district wishing to qualify for government funding must be implementing "scientifically based" reading instruction. Only "approved" reading series/texts/curricula will be funded by the government.

    By the National Reading Panel's standards, that would mean a heavily scripted phonics program. And who is the biggest phonics publisher? McGraw-Hill, the publisher of Open Court. It was McGraw-Hill representatives and authors who dominated Gov. George W. Bush's Texas reading advisory board. No surprise that Open Court was the program of choice in the Lone Star State. And McGraw-Hill's connections to the National Reading Panel's report is no less transparent: Widemeyer Communications, the Washington PR firm that handled the promotion of Open Court in Texas, was also the firm hired to promote the NRP's report, including the writing of its Introduction, Summary, and video, the three parts that have taken the most flack from critics.
    and, then there's Obama, aka Bush III or Bush on steroids.

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