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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Common Core initiative is sponsored by the National Governors Association (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). It's been whole heartedly accepted by 46 states.

    These governors aren't Progressives....

    http://www.nga.org/files/live/sites/...MITTEELIST.PDF



    Because Obama likes it.

    Kentucky is a red state.....


    "...Kentucky was the first to implement the Common Core standards, and began offering the new curriculum in math and English in August of 2010. In 2013 Time magazine reported that the high school graduation rate had increased from 80% in 2010 to 86% in 2013, test scores went up 2 percentage points in the second year of using the Common Core test, and the percentage of students considered to be ready for college or a career, based on a battery of assessments, went up from 34% in 2010 to 54% in 2013.....

    Common Core State Standards Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Well moot, I would have to look at the actual quote from Time but I'm not a subscriber. This is what I got from more than one source about the PARCC results in KT: The news was only slightly better for Kentucky this year. ďOverall, the math and reading scores in grade 3 though 8 and high school did go up, but the concerns we have is that they did not go up fast enough,Ē Holliday said at a September press conference announcing the new results. Statewide only about 40 percent of students scored at least proficient in math and about 50 percent in reading. And the gap has increased between the percentage of white students who are proficient and the percentage of African Americans. What Kentucky Can Teach the Rest of the U.S. About the Common Core - Sarah Butrymowicz - The Atlantic

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    My daughter was taking standardized state tests on computers for the last couple years. She didn't have a problem with it. I'm not sure why that would be a problem.
    Well, it's going to be a big problem for schools that have one or two computers per 30 students. And that computer barely works. Also you have lots of kids that have zero experience using a computer at all.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Wouldn't a single federal standard also reduce costs? Sure the initial step would be more expensivee but afterwards every teacher is teaching the same material, but not necessarily in the same way. I would think that that would be cheaper in the long run.
    We'll see as this rolls out but my opinion is a large part of this is profit motive which will increase cost in *some* areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Well, it's going to be a big problem for schools that have one or two computers per 30 students. And that computer barely works. Also you have lots of kids that have zero experience using a computer at all.
    Very true, but on the other hand, computerized examinations help for many students that I would be representing, and are often a more relevant means of producing extensive written material.

    Now, I am assuming there are paper versions of the examination that will be quite prominent.

    Lastly, I am also assuming this is a DPI issue rather than mostly a CC issue.

    Edit: This would take more looking into by me.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Very true, but on the other hand, computerized examinations help for many students that I would be representing, and are often a more relevant means of producing extensive written material.

    Now, I am assuming there are paper versions of the examination that will be quite prominent.

    Lastly, I am also assuming this is a DPI issue rather than mostly a CC issue.

    Edit: This would take more looking into by me.
    Alright, after some quick digging, I would say that:

    1) Still the same cost prohibitive + student benefit points as before.
    2) Yes, paper and pencil alternative available.
    3) An overly-ambitious design of CC's testing incentives as of yet.
    4) Reiteration of the hopeless "we aren't funding many public schools enough" mantra still needs to be said.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Well, it's going to be a big problem for schools that have one or two computers per 30 students. And that computer barely works. Also you have lots of kids that have zero experience using a computer at all.
    As states adopt or have adopted CC, this should have been a consideration. I read a quick story about Oakland. They will get a half million dollars from the DOE to implement CC. It will be used in part for that purpose.

    I guess I live in a more forward looking state. Computers have been in our schools since the mid-90s. We have computer labs, classes and computers in classrooms beginning in elementary school. The handwriting has been on the wall as far as the necessity for computers to be used in education for decades.

    This is interesting from the Oregon CCSS page.
    http://www.ode.state.or.us/wma/teach...ommon-core.pdf

    I cannot c and p it on my phone but it says CC is not a curriculum. The state developed the curriculum to meet the standards. We have had state standards for years with locally adopted curriculum for teacher flexibility. This is just the latest version.

    This is not true of your schools Josie?

    Look for your state here.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    As states adopt or have adopted CC, this should have been a consideration. I read a quick story about Oakland. They will get a half million dollars from the DOE to implement CC. It will be used in part for that purpose.
    They didn't have a lot of time to consider it before the deadline for the federal government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I cannot c and p it on my phone but it says CC is not a curriculum. The state developed the curriculum to meet the standards. We have had state standards for years with locally adopted curriculum for teacher flexibility. This is just the latest version.
    Achieve, Inc., the National Governor's Association and CCSSO wrote the standards.

    Common Core isn't a curriculum, but it is what every single company is using to create new or update old curriculum. Everything must be aligned with Common Core now just as with NCLB. NCLB was a giant ball of federal crap and this is an even gianter ball of federal crap. Yes, I'm a teacher and I said "gianter". Sue me.

    If you'd go back and read through the numbered lists I've made, we've already covered your questions, I think.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    They didn't have a lot of time to consider it before the deadline for the federal government.



    Achieve, Inc., the National Governor's Association and CCSSO wrote the standards.

    Common Core isn't a curriculum, but it is what every single company is using to create new or update old curriculum. Everything must be aligned with Common Core now just as with NCLB. NCLB was a giant ball of federal crap and this is an even gianter ball of federal crap. Yes, I'm a teacher and I said "gianter". Sue me.

    If you'd go back and read through the numbered lists I've made, we've already covered your questions, I think.
    If you wouldn't mind, since we are several pages into this thread, I don't recall if your school has adopted curriculum in the manner mine has. My state has a state wide adopted standard with locally adopted curriculum. Is your state not doing it that way?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    If you wouldn't mind, since we are several pages into this thread, I don't recall if your school has adopted curriculum in the manner mine has. My state has a state wide adopted standard with locally adopted curriculum. Is your state not doing it that way?
    Yes, that's how it works.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    Well moot, I would have to look at the actual quote from Time but I'm not a subscriber. This is what I got from more than one source about the PARCC results in KT: The news was only slightly better for Kentucky this year. “Overall, the math and reading scores in grade 3 though 8 and high school did go up, but the concerns we have is that they did not go up fast enough,” Holliday said at a September press conference announcing the new results. Statewide only about 40 percent of students scored at least proficient in math and about 50 percent in reading. And the gap has increased between the percentage of white students who are proficient and the percentage of African Americans. What Kentucky Can Teach the Rest of the U.S. About the Common Core - Sarah Butrymowicz - The Atlantic
    Terry Holliday seems to be saying that Common Core standards aren't the problem, but rather it's the teachers lack of skills and training...


    Holliday said the exam results and teachers’ anecdotal evidence show weaknesses in elementary reading and middle-school math in Kentucky. He said New York’s schools should identify where students lack the requisite skills for the more challenging coursework and focus there.

    He said working to improve teachers’ skills is important, and King said New York is also focusing intensely on professional development.

    “It’s overall growth, but not fast enough,” Holliday said, reacting to the second year of results in his state. “We are going to have to really beef up teacher training and support to make the kind of gains we need to be making to get back into a larger percentage of kids being college- and career-ready.”
    What New York learns from Kentucky about Common Core education | Capital New York


    So if students, particularly black students, are falling behind then perhaps it's because a lot of teachers in the inner cities and urban areas weren't that qualified or well trained to begin with....


    "....Studies show that matching quality teachers with disadvantaged students is an effective way to close the black-white achievement gap. Good teachers are more effective than small class sizes, for instance.

    For starters, the United States needs to increase its pool of quality teachers. Almost half of its K-12 teachers come from the bottom third of college classes. Classroom leaders such as Singapore, South Korea, and Finland select from the top ranks. In Finland, only 1 in 10 applicants is accepted into teacher training.....

    Another US hurdle is teacher training. Many states require a master’s degree in education in order to be certified to teach. This automatically locks out a talented population such as second-career experts in a field who don’t want to invest the time or money in a graduate degree that’s often short on classroom skills and long on pedagogy.

    President Obama’s “Race to the Top” fund encourages states through competitive grants to open up alternative, effective routes to teacher certification. Hopefully, that fund will survive budget cutting (same for Teach for America).

    Public schools won’t be able to attract and keep high quality teachers if they don’t reward and develop them once they get into the classroom.

    That’s next to impossible given the standard operating procedure of teacher unions. As the nation is witnessing, a rigid rule such as last-hired, first-fired lops off enthusiastic newcomers in favor of those with seniority. Experience is important in education, but it does not always add up to quality. Performance must be the determiner....."
    Next US education reform: Higher teacher quality - CSMonitor.com


    Once the layers of reform and standardizing are peeled away it becomes clear that the only thing that really matters is the quality of instruction. Even Kentucky’s education commissioner, Terry Holliday seems to recognize that it's the teacher's lack of training and skills that is slowing down the progress and higher test scores in his state.

    As a parent, I would prefer that my kids learn how to think and solve the test problems, rather than just memorize and not understand why that is the answer to the test.
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