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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    I have a class full of very smart kids this year. Because of the stupid wording on the tests and assessing things too soon, they get Cs and Ds on the weekly test instead of what they're capable of. I give a separate test every week that actually assesses their true reading abilities to balance it out.


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    And so does Common Core.
    I wasn't clear on that one...
    NCLB is telling the states what the state standards are/were.

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    As does Common Core. How do you think every state is going to supply thousands of school districts with computer for every single student?
    I had no idea about the computers thing. That's absolutely unreasonable.

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    And Common Core gives the federal government access to student records as well.
    Again, I'm opposed to this.

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    Oh, I see. Now that Bush's plan (the one you hated) lead to an even BIGGER government education plan (the one you DON'T hate), you're okay with it. Yeah, you sound like a libertarian.
    If there is going to be a standard, then there should be a single federal standard with a single federal test. NCLB mandated 50 standards for all 50 states. This has nothing to with Bush. I'd rather the feds not be involved, but if the feds are going to be involved then they should do it right. Both programs are wrong but Common Core seems to be on a reasonable track of having on standard.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    If there is going to be a standard, then there should be a single federal standard with a single federal test. NCLB mandated 50 standards for all 50 states. This has nothing to with Bush. I'd rather the feds not be involved, but if the feds are going to be involved then they should do it right. Both programs are wrong but Common Core seems to be on a reasonable track of having on standard.
    A national curriculum isn't something any true libertarian would be for.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post

    If there is going to be a standard, then there should be a single federal standard with a single federal test. NCLB mandated 50 standards for all 50 states. This has nothing to with Bush. I'd rather the feds not be involved, but if the feds are going to be involved then they should do it right. Both programs are wrong but Common Core seems to be on a reasonable track of having on standard.
    I doubt very much you would like the results of a total-one size-fits all-standard. In order for a single standard to exist, it has to consider the inevitable results of the lower tier while also making room for excellence on the opposite side of the spectrum. This would mean the needed flexibility would not exist, and once it does not exist, you make the choice between "asking for too little" or "asking for too much." On top of that, a single federal standard would require social and political issues be solved. This is why, I suspect, social studies continues to remain the areas in which they receive less in the way of national standards, and on top of that, political agreement. We've been there before. Watch for it to show up again.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    A national curriculum isn't something any true libertarian would be for.

    I could see a national list of minimum requirements as a good replacement for the Department of Education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I could see a national list of minimum requirements as a good replacement for the Department of Education.
    Am I interpreting this to mean a listing of minimum requirements would remove the necessity of the DOE? Or are you stating that at a baseline, state standards must meet _____ criteria per subject and skill area?
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    A national curriculum isn't something any true libertarian would be for.
    Well after learning about this program a bit more I've gone from being indifferent to slightly against. But the multitude of variables and customizations greatly increases costs. That's something a single standard would also address. But the more I'm finding out about the actual implementation the more unreasonable it's proving to show itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Well after learning about this program a bit more I've gone from being indifferent to slightly against. But the multitude of variables and customizations greatly increases costs. That's something a single standard would also address. But the more I'm finding out about the actual implementation the more unreasonable it's proving to show itself.
    You'd think you would've found out more about it before having such a strong opinion.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Am I interpreting this to mean a listing of minimum requirements would remove the necessity of the DOE? Or are you stating that at a baseline, state standards must meet _____ criteria per subject and skill area?
    I am saying a baseline for state standards and also for school accreditation. It's a bit more broad than just this - I would also have every High School Graduate take the Citizenship Exam (this is assuming I have magical dictator powers) and use passing that exam as a pre-requisite for voting (though you can re-take the exam at any time thereafter). I would replace the vast majority of the current DOE with education credits that go to the parents (with a focus on those with greater need, such as low-income or parents of special needs children), and "Education" can cease being a Department-level organization.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I am saying a baseline for state standards and also for school accreditation. I would replace the vast majority of current DOE spending with education credits that go to the parents, given dictatorial powers , and "education" can cease being a Department-level organization.
    The DOE has largely done portions of that for decades (more emphasis in some areas than others, of course). It's just that now we are moving closer and closer toward your likely final endgame. In my area of educational experience, it is pretty much undeniable that the DOE is vastly influential toward the improvement for the education of those students (mostly because without it, public and private schools would do nothing).
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