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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I don't think there should be these "liaisons" between individual states and the federal government.
    It's just nutty to think that states should not, in any way, interact with the federal govt, even if the states want to do so.

    If the states want to change something, it should be up to the people in State legislatures who were voted to represent the taxpayers, not some group in D.C.
    It wasn't "some group in DC" that approved the implementation of CC in any state. It was the state itself.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Moving on to Part 2...

    1. The U.S. Constitution leaves educational policy to the States. Because CCSS are national standards with nationalized testing, CCSS is in violation of 3 federal statues --- General Education Provisions Act, Department of Education Provisions Act and Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965.

    2. CCSS is copyrighted. A state, school board, district, teacher may not change or delete anything. They my add a small amount of content - no more than 15% for any area.

    3. If a parent or teacher feels as though something in Common Core isn't working, they cannot go to the school board, administrators or even the governor. Since CCSS are national standards, state or local government cannot change them.

    4. We don't know who is part of the National Governors Association and the CCSSOF (the writers of the CCSS) <<< is that true?

    5. One of the drafters of the math CCSS said the college that students will be prepared for is a community college (she doesn't name this person...)

    6. The Common Core validation committee never found evidence that the CCSS are internationally benchmarked and as rigorous as those in countries whose students score highly on tests (as they once claimed).

    7. The only mathematician (Dr. Milgrim?) on the validation committee said that it's almost a joke that a student will be prepared for university math after completing CC curriculum. Algebra 1 moves from 8th grade to 9th grade making it harder to reach Calculus by high school. Geometry is taught by experimental method << I have no idea what that means. He said by 8th grade, our students will be about 2 years behind those of the highest achieving countries.

    8. Dr. Sandra Stotsky from the validation committee commented on the English Language Arts standards -- she said they were "empty skill sets" and "no accumulation of literacy knowledge". She's afraid the reading level that CCSS calls "college-ready" will be about 7th grade level. There's a large emphasis on technical books and non-fiction and less on literature. CC includes no British literature except a little Shakespeare (not sure if that's true of all CC curriculum).


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's just nutty to think that states should not, in any way, interact with the federal govt, even if the states want to do so.



    It wasn't "some group in DC" that approved the implementation of CC in any state. It was the state itself.
    Which is why I had some misgivings with Ravitch, whom I deeply respect, but also thought her concerns were with significant merit. I, for one, am immensely suspicious of CC's outcome across the states, along with the nation for many of the same reasons. However, I did wince a bit when she said, "They were developed by an organization called Achieve and the National Governors Association, both of which were generously funded by the Gates Foundation. There was minimal public engagement in the development of the Common Core." By minimal we do of course mean the executive branches of 50 states in the NGA.

    That being said, yes, I think it's a dramatic gamble.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It looks faker than a very fake thing with a degree in faux fakery. Is it real?
    Extremely unlikely. I've seen worksheets like this before, all cobbled together by the right wing alarmists.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

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    4. We don't know who is part of the National Governors Association and the CCSSOF (the writers of the CCSS) [I]<<< is that true?
    I'm sorry, but anyone living in the internet age that makes these sorts of claims is generally not remotely doing their homework. We live in an era where we can get exactly that information, directly from the source, within a couple of keystrokes.

    To the former: the NGA is a body literally made up of the State governors. There is also organizational staff and Chiefs of Staff.

    Staff Directory

    Current Governors

    To the latter: You're looking at your state superintendents of schools and other partnerships, along with organizational staff.

    CCSSO - Meet the Chiefs

    CCSSO - Board of Directors

    CCSSO - Leadership Team

    CCSSO - Staff Directory
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Moving on to Part 2...

    1. The U.S. Constitution leaves educational policy to the States. Because CCSS are national standards with nationalized testing, CCSS is in violation of 3 federal statues --- General Education Provisions Act, Department of Education Provisions Act and Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965.
    This is false


    2. CCSS is copyrighted. A state, school board, district, teacher may not change or delete anything. They my add a small amount of content - no more than 15% for any area.
    They can choose to not reject the entire program and set their curriculum however they choose to


    3. If a parent or teacher feels as though something in Common Core isn't working, they cannot go to the school board, administrators or even the governor. Since CCSS are national standards, state or local government cannot change them.
    They can choose to not reject the entire program and set their curriculum however they choose to


    4. We don't know who is part of the National Governors Association and the CCSSOF (the writers of the CCSS) <<< is that true?


    Does not argue for or against the standards. Just more conspiracy mongering


    5. One of the drafters of the math CCSS said the college that students will be prepared for is a community college (she doesn't name this person...)
    See above


    6. The Common Core validation committee never found evidence that the CCSS are internationally benchmarked and as rigorous as those in countries whose students score highly on tests (as they once claimed).
    Now there's an argument that relates to the actual standards!!


    7. The only mathematician (Dr. Milgrim?) on the validation committee said that it's almost a joke that a student will be prepared for university math after completing CC curriculum. Algebra 1 moves from 8th grade to 9th grade making it harder to reach Calculus by high school. Geometry is taught by experimental method << I have no idea what that means. He said by 8th grade, our students will be about 2 years behind those of the highest achieving countries.
    Now there's another argument about the actual standards!!


    8. Dr. Sandra Stotsky from the validation committee commented on the English Language Arts standards -- she said they were "empty skill sets" and "no accumulation of literacy knowledge". She's afraid the reading level that CCSS calls "college-ready" will be about 7th grade level. There's a large emphasis on technical books and non-fiction and less on literature. CC includes no British literature except a little Shakespeare (not sure if that's true of all CC curriculum).
    Again, now you're addressing the actual standard!!

    However, these relevant points were not raised in the video you posted.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Part 3...

    1. Race to the Top money also required states to build huge student databases with over 400 data points on each student (test scores, behavior, family history, religion, etc.) The US Department of Education is asking the states to turn over that data in exchange for grants. The US Department of Education is prohibited from collecting this data themselves so they're asking the states to give it to them. The Department of Education will share this information with the Department of Labor so that the federal government can track people preschool through their career.

    2. Most states signed on without a thorough cost-analysis because they had very little time to decide (and while most state legislatures weren't even in session). The costs for assessments will be massive. A study concluded that states will be tripling and quadrupling the costs per student for CC and implementation of CC will be $16 billion minimum nationwide.

    Where is all of this money going to come from?


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    However, these relevant points were not raised in the video you posted.
    These relevant points were in the videos you chose not to watch.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'm sorry, but anyone living in the internet age that makes these sorts of claims is generally not remotely doing their homework. We live in an era where we can get exactly that information, directly from the source, within a couple of keystrokes.

    To the former: the NGA is a body literally made up of the State governors. There is also organizational staff and Chiefs of Staff.

    Staff Directory

    Current Governors

    To the latter: You're looking at your state superintendents of schools and other partnerships, along with organizational staff.

    CCSSO - Meet the Chiefs

    CCSSO - Board of Directors

    CCSSO - Leadership Team

    CCSSO - Staff Directory
    That's what I thought. Thank you.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    These relevant points were in the videos you chose not to watch.
    Yes, you're upset because we watched the video you linked to and criticized it and because we didn't watch videos that you hadn't watched either
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