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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Okay, let's start with Part 1 of the Stop Common Core video. I will list the facts about the origins of CCSS and whatever else comes up in the first video. Then I'll post it, you can comment on it, dispute the facts with your own links and research and we'll go on to the next video. Yes, this video was created by people AGAINST Common Core (hence, the name) so in the video there are references to personal opinions as to why it's been started and what the end result will be. We're not going to discuss opinions, but the hard facts about CCSS. As I said, please feel free to dispute any fact that you believe is false. We're all here to learn, yes?

    1. Parents have no recourse to influence content standards. If parents, teachers, administrators, school boards, taxpayers feel as though a standard is too easy or too hard for students in K-12, they cannot change it. If their state has adopted Common Core, that standard must be taught and must be met by their students.
    Their state can influence the curriculum in their state. They can reject CC.


    2. CCSS is a set of educational standards for English Language Arts and Math (and Science just came out as well) to ideally be adopted by all 50 states so that education will be standardized in America.
    Neither an argument for or against CC

    3. The writers of CCSS believe they have created rigorous standards which will produce students who are more prepared for college. It also allows for students to be compared state-to-state.
    Neither an argument for or against CC
    4. CCSS has currently been adopted by 45 states and the District of Columbia (that might have changed by now....not sure...)

    5. The individual states did not help create the standards. They were written by Achieve, Inc, & The National Governors Association and the CCSSO - Washington D.C. trade organizations who were given no legislative grant of authority from the States to write standards.
    Neither an argument for or against CC

    6. The Gates Foundations has given the above groups $27 million to advance Common Core. The Gates Foundation plans to spend $150 million on CCSS.
    Neither an argument for or against CC


    7. Because the PARCC assessment must be given at the same time with every student on a computer, school districts will have to purchase and maintain PCs for every student.
    There's a relevant fact!!


    8. The Race to the Top competition came out of the 2009 Stimulus Bill. In order to have a realistic shot at Race to the Top money, states had to agree to accept and implement the CCSS sight unseen.
    States could reduse to accept and implement it


    9. Race to the Top applications went out in November of 2009 and had to be turned in by January 2010 -- a time when our country's economy sucked with little money to go around. Most state legislators weren't even in session when the states decided to apply for Race to the Top money.
    See above


    10. The CCSS were released in 2010 and had to be accepted by state school boards by August 2010 - no involvement with state legislature.
    see above


    11. The Department of Education was also offering an NCLB waiver to those states who accepted Race to the Top money and CCSS.
    See above and Neither an argument for or against CC

    12. The national tests created for Common Core will be all computer-based. School districts will have to purchase and maintain computers for every student who has to take the national tests. This will be a substantial amount of money (especially for districts who barely have one computer per 30 kids.)
    Again, an argument, but you've already stated this. So far, you're batting one in twelve


    13. The Department of Education is paying for the national tests, but when the money runs out the states will have to pick up the costs. We don't know exactly what the cost to taxpayers will be in the end.
    States do not have to accept CC


    14. The PARCC assessment was created by progressive reformers ---- they aren't listed ---- we need to look those up.
    Neither an argument for or against CC


    15. The Smarter Balanced assessment was created by Linda Darling-Hammond, Stanford Professor who opposes standardized testing. <<< ?? need to find out more about her
    Neither an argument for or against CC

    None of your arguments have anything to do with the quality of the standards. The only argument there is the cost, which states can avoid by opting out of CC.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The NGA is about as good as you are going to get with state concerns. Labeling it a "Washington D.C. trade organization" obscures the body of that organization.
    I think the problem is that the state legislature had no say. If you're going to adopt a new massive system for how students in your state are taught and assessed, shouldn't that be up to the representatives to decide?


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    That's a much better way of presenting the information than the woman in the video. Her presentation really does have an air of conspiracy theory.
    Then feel free to do your own research and post the videos and articles that you think would help the discussion.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I think the problem is that the state legislature had no say. If you're going to adopt a new massive system for how students in your state are taught and assessed, shouldn't that be up to the representatives to decide?
    That's up to the state. Not every state has the same adoption procedures. In most, it's the BOE.

    https://sites.google.com/site/ncslcc...dopting-agency
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I think the problem is that the state legislature had no say. If you're going to adopt a new massive system for how students in your state are taught and assessed, shouldn't that be up to the representatives to decide?
    The people who decided this were either elected to their positions, or appointed by people who were elected.

    If the people in that state are unhappy, they can vote and have the state withdraw from CC
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's up to the state. Not every state has the same adoption procedures.

    https://sites.google.com/site/ncslcc...dopting-agency
    Perhaps that's part of the problem.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Perhaps that's part of the problem.
    Unless I am mistaken, your argument was that federalism was being ignored. However, I just demonstrated it was adhered to. It's just that the bodies in each state, which are granted the lead, vary. Furthermore, existing organizations which serve as rather legitimate liaisons between the individual states and the federal government were among your main targets.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Unless I am mistaken, your argument was that federalism was being ignored. However, I just demonstrated it was adhered to. It's just that the bodies in each state which are granted the lead change. Furthermore, existing organizations which serve as rather legitimate liaisons between the individual states and the federal government were among your main targets.
    I'm a fan of keeping it simple. I don't think there should be these "liaisons" between individual states and the federal government. If the states want to change something, it should be up to the people in State legislatures who were voted to represent the taxpayers, not some group in D.C.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I'm a fan of keeping it simple. I don't think there should be these "liaisons" between individual states and the federal government. If the states want to change something, it should be up to the people in State legislatures who were voted to represent the taxpayers, not some group in D.C.
    But public policy is anything but simple. Why should the NGA not exist? It's one of the strongest weapons states have against the federal government and provides a means of attempting to ensure that implementation of nationally-influenced public policy at the state level works as best it can by taking state concerns into serious consideration.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Then feel free to do your own research and post the videos and articles that you think would help the discussion.
    Here's something that isn't based on paranoid conspiracy mongering and political exploitation

    Why I oppose Common Core standards: Ravitch

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