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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The NGA is about as good as you are going to get with state concerns. Labeling it a "Washington D.C. trade organization" obscures the body of that organization.
    I think the problem is that the state legislature had no say. If you're going to adopt a new massive system for how students in your state are taught and assessed, shouldn't that be up to the representatives to decide?


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    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    That's a much better way of presenting the information than the woman in the video. Her presentation really does have an air of conspiracy theory.
    Then feel free to do your own research and post the videos and articles that you think would help the discussion.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I think the problem is that the state legislature had no say. If you're going to adopt a new massive system for how students in your state are taught and assessed, shouldn't that be up to the representatives to decide?
    That's up to the state. Not every state has the same adoption procedures. In most, it's the BOE.

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I think the problem is that the state legislature had no say. If you're going to adopt a new massive system for how students in your state are taught and assessed, shouldn't that be up to the representatives to decide?
    The people who decided this were either elected to their positions, or appointed by people who were elected.

    If the people in that state are unhappy, they can vote and have the state withdraw from CC
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's up to the state. Not every state has the same adoption procedures.

    https://sites.google.com/site/ncslcc...dopting-agency
    Perhaps that's part of the problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Perhaps that's part of the problem.
    Unless I am mistaken, your argument was that federalism was being ignored. However, I just demonstrated it was adhered to. It's just that the bodies in each state, which are granted the lead, vary. Furthermore, existing organizations which serve as rather legitimate liaisons between the individual states and the federal government were among your main targets.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Unless I am mistaken, your argument was that federalism was being ignored. However, I just demonstrated it was adhered to. It's just that the bodies in each state which are granted the lead change. Furthermore, existing organizations which serve as rather legitimate liaisons between the individual states and the federal government were among your main targets.
    I'm a fan of keeping it simple. I don't think there should be these "liaisons" between individual states and the federal government. If the states want to change something, it should be up to the people in State legislatures who were voted to represent the taxpayers, not some group in D.C.


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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I'm a fan of keeping it simple. I don't think there should be these "liaisons" between individual states and the federal government. If the states want to change something, it should be up to the people in State legislatures who were voted to represent the taxpayers, not some group in D.C.
    But public policy is anything but simple. Why should the NGA not exist? It's one of the strongest weapons states have against the federal government and provides a means of attempting to ensure that implementation of nationally-influenced public policy at the state level works as best it can by taking state concerns into serious consideration.
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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Then feel free to do your own research and post the videos and articles that you think would help the discussion.
    Here's something that isn't based on paranoid conspiracy mongering and political exploitation

    Why I oppose Common Core standards: Ravitch

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    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I don't think there should be these "liaisons" between individual states and the federal government.
    It's just nutty to think that states should not, in any way, interact with the federal govt, even if the states want to do so.

    If the states want to change something, it should be up to the people in State legislatures who were voted to represent the taxpayers, not some group in D.C.
    It wasn't "some group in DC" that approved the implementation of CC in any state. It was the state itself.
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