Page 10 of 69 FirstFirst ... 891011122060 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 685

Thread: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

  1. #91
    Sage
    rabbitcaebannog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Massachusetts
    Last Seen
    12-09-17 @ 08:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    10,918

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    I find it ironic that China, the number one country for high test scores, wants to duplicate the US education system. Well, perhaps before we decided to follow their system.

    Anyone every wonder why we have the most innovators, world class scientist? Why we have discovered much in the medical field, technology field??? Is it because in the past these outside the box thinkers were told they had to match what was in the rubric? Perhaps, they were not afraid to make mistakes. What was it Edison said?

    Thomas Edison's teachers said he was "too stupid to learn anything." He was fired from his first two jobs for being "non-productive." As an inventor, Edison made 1,000 unsuccessful attempts at inventing the light bulb. When a reporter asked, "How did it feel to fail 1,000 times?" Edison replied, "I didn’t fail 1,000 times. The light bulb was an invention with 1,000 steps."

    What was Einstein was labeled in school?

    On any account this is great food for thought:

    In BriefWhen Shanghai, China, was awarded the number one spot for educational achievement by the Program for International Student Assessment, a number of Western countries began to ask what had sparked the country’s rise. One answer is five years of education reforms that began with the Chinese government’s recognition that it needs to improve its teaching system as the population ages and the country’s pool of cheap labor runs out. The plan, called the Outline of China’s National Plan for Medium- and Long-term Education Reform and Development, aims to significantly increase government investment in education, universalize access to early childhood education and high schools, develop world-class universities, and improve the overall quality of education. The aim is to quickly transform a low-level manufacturing economy into one based on knowledge. But a well-educated workforce does not mean simply more years in school, or more testing—as China’s history of training innovators shows. There is currently a surplus of college graduates unable to find work in innovative but elite private firms or oversubscribed government agencies. Meanwhile, the Chinese service industry, the mainstay of the U.S. economy, remains tiny. Unlocking the potential of that industry is going to take a radical overhaul of how the Chinese think about education. http://www.thesolutionsjournal.com/node/1077

  2. #92
    Haters gon' hate
    MarineTpartier's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Last Seen
    01-04-16 @ 04:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,586
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    My wife and I pulled our son from school due to, among other things, CC. Im not an educator, however, what I noticed with the CC is that teachers are hamstrung to having to teach to a number grade. There is no opportunity for a teacher to actually teach. It turns into the teacher being a worksheet distributor. Also, the burden of proof for a child to be moved to a gifted program is ridiculous. For instance, my son was 6 years old and reading at a 6th grade level. He was also doing division at that point. So, we met with the principal and his teacher in an attempt to move him into a gifted program. Now, my ignorance of the CC will show here. Idk if it was a state policy or if it had anything to do with the CC but we were told that he had to test in the 95th percentile of 3 standardized tests in a row before being considered for any sort of gifted student program. Those tests are only given twice a school year. He met the requirement at the end of 2nd grade. After that, we went to the principal and told her we were ready to discuss the gifted program again and were told that CC had changed the standardized tests and he had to take another test and score in the 95th percentile before moving to that class. However, he would have to wait until the test is given school wide. At that point, we were fed up and pulled him from public school. Home school is definitely better than public, but that's another thread.
    “Mr. Speaker, I once again find myself compelled to vote against the annual budget resolution for a very simple reason: it makes government bigger.” ― Ron Paul
    Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson

  3. #93
    Guru
    Samhain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Northern Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:53 AM
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,876

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Something about the air velocity of a swallow. (come on Josie..better know that reference)
    African or European?

  4. #94
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,648

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    African or European?
    I don't know that.....

    AhhhhH!
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

  5. #95
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Zyphlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    NoMoAuchie
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    47,944

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Common Core is a progressive initiative, applauded by Obama, funded through the Race to the Top agenda and accepted whole-heartedly by blue states. Yet you still say it's a conservative idea. LOL!

    If it is a conservative idea, why are the most conservative states rejecting it? Why are the most outspoken conservatives in our nation demanding a stop to it? Why are progressive states embracing it?
    Because for hyper partisans who aren't intereted in honest discussion but simply seek to stretch every little thing to the farthest extreme to score political points, the logic goes that if at any point in the past...regardless of context…the side opposite their own ever supported anything even mildly resembling something their side is pushing now, then it's the other sides "idea".

    For example…let’s say at some point in the past just a HANDFUL of Republicans wanted to do a program where severely poor children could be given lunch for free at schools and would offset that increased cost through cutting funding to art programs in the state.

    If the Democrats came back 20 years later and put forward a proposal for a program to feed ALL children breakfast and lunch at school and mandated kids had to participate in this lunch rather than bringing any from home and they were increasing taxes on the rich to pay for the program…..people like Sangha would proclaim that they’re just “doing a republican idea!” and criticize republicans for not jumping on board, because at one point Republicans wanted to have school lunch for some kids.

    It’s the same BS that was pulled by many hyper partisan liberals attempting to say “obamacare” was a Republican idea. It’s the same here. Sangha is grasping decades back as to what two Conservatives wanted to do in a narrow and specific way and is then attempting to suggest that what’s being done with Common Core is the same thing (simply because it has a few similarities) and thus is a “conservative idea”.

    It’s dishonest to the core, but a standard play in the arsenal of hyper partisans.


    Because for hyper partisans who aren't intereted in honest discussion but simply seek to stretch every little thing to the farthest extreme to score political points, the logic goes that if at any point in the past...regardless of context..the side opposite their own ever supported anything even mildly resembling something their side is pushing now, then it's the other sides "idea".

    To the point where if Republicans at one point wanted to paint.

    I wasn't a fan of NCLB, and I'm not a fan of this either. The more and more you standardize things and force teachers to "teach to the test" the worse thinkers our children end up being imho.

  6. #96
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,648

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I agree that, when it comes to education, it is more difficult to identify the source. However, I was referring to efforts in the 18th and 19th century, as well as the 20th, to establish an educational canon, particularly with regards to literature.

    But in looking into this, I know see that aside from a thing specific items (ex Shakespeare, america's foundational documents, etc) the CC doesn't establish a literary canon.
    Ah, I see. You're looking more at shifting culture reflecting curriculum, it seems. This was one of my little excursions at one point (I may publish something on it later), particularly with the late 80s through the mid 90s. That's why you mentioned Allan Bloom, eh?
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

  7. #97
    Villiage Idiot
    imagep's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Upstate SC
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,580

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    …..people like Sangha would proclaim that they’re just “doing a republican idea!” and criticize republicans for not jumping on board, because at one point Republicans wanted to have school lunch for some kids.
    He would be right in making that claim.

    In my mind, providing means tested benefits to special folks isn't a conservative policy, it's robbing from the rich to give to the poor, and is thus quite liberal. Providing everyone equally with the same exact government service/benefit is a conservative policy, it's just providing a needed government service to everyone. but thats me, I'm whacked in the head, or so I am told.

  8. #98
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,648

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Because for hyper partisans who aren't intereted in honest discussion but simply seek to stretch every little thing to the farthest extreme to score political points, the logic goes that if at any point in the past...regardless of context…the side opposite their own ever supported anything even mildly resembling something their side is pushing now, then it's the other sides "idea".

    For example…let’s say at some point in the past just a HANDFUL of Republicans wanted to do a program where severely poor children could be given lunch for free at schools and would offset that increased cost through cutting funding to art programs in the state.

    If the Democrats came back 20 years later and put forward a proposal for a program to feed ALL children breakfast and lunch at school and mandated kids had to participate in this lunch rather than bringing any from home and they were increasing taxes on the rich to pay for the program…..people like Sangha would proclaim that they’re just “doing a republican idea!” and criticize republicans for not jumping on board, because at one point Republicans wanted to have school lunch for some kids.

    It’s the same BS that was pulled by many hyper partisan liberals attempting to say “obamacare” was a Republican idea. It’s the same here. Sangha is grasping decades back as to what two Conservatives wanted to do in a narrow and specific way and is then attempting to suggest that what’s being done with Common Core is the same thing (simply because it has a few similarities) and thus is a “conservative idea”.

    It’s dishonest to the core, but a standard play in the arsenal of hyper partisans.


    Because for hyper partisans who aren't intereted in honest discussion but simply seek to stretch every little thing to the farthest extreme to score political points, the logic goes that if at any point in the past...regardless of context..the side opposite their own ever supported anything even mildly resembling something their side is pushing now, then it's the other sides "idea".

    To the point where if Republicans at one point wanted to paint.

    I wasn't a fan of NCLB, and I'm not a fan of this either. The more and more you standardize things and force teachers to "teach to the test" the worse thinkers our children end up being imho.
    But CC is a rather bi-partisan creation/monster in of itself. Now, on a side note to that, the ideas influencing the orientation of CC, do in fact go back decades, which once again, have a bi-partisan angle and cross into multiple ideological strands. You can't really divorce them, because education policy is extremely...how should I put this...... institutionalized and frequently defies common understanding of political ideology.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

  9. #99
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Zyphlin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    NoMoAuchie
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    47,944

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    But CC is a rather bi-partisan creation/monster in of itself.
    Tell me if you can tell the difference between these two claims:

    CC is a Conservative idea!

    CC is bi-partisan.

    One of those two claims is what I was arguing against. The other claim I have no issue with.

    I'm sure you can figure which is which.

    I think, in a very general sense, that CC is a rather bi-partisan creation/monster. However, Sangha was not arguing that...Sangha was specifically saying that RTTT and CC are "conservaitve ideas". That's what I was arguing against.

    I absolutely agree, over the years the various educational attempts in this country have bipartisan elements to them...in part because what's very common with almost any idea or policy, by nature of compromise, is that each side takes something and tries to mold it to work with their view point of how things should function. This leads to most ideas from either sides having various similarities in certain points, and where portions of any new idea can be traced to all different sides.

  10. #100
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:33 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,648

    Re: Common Core lessons blasted for sneaking politics into elementary classrooms

    I know I come at it from a different angle, but when someone says CC is a conservative idea, I accept it. It is a conservative idea. It's also a progressive idea. I know where you are going with this, but when someone says that, I do in fact see conservative accountability movement spokespersons (especially those involved in the business community that advocate for educational change).

    I wouldn't necessarily deny that Sangha's intentions may have been to flip the argument for the sake of flipping the argument.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

Page 10 of 69 FirstFirst ... 891011122060 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •