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    Re: Election night 2013

    Hey MMC! In the end this is a push. 52% of the state voted for limited government and McAuliffe still faces a strong Republican legislature. McAuliff isn't getting anything he wants as governor.
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    Re: Election night 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hey MMC! In the end this is a push. 52% of the state voted for limited government and McAuliffe still faces a strong Republican legislature. McAuliff isn't getting anything he wants as governor.
    Problem is the top 5 seats being Democratic.....not just McAuliffe. Moreover they will continue to increase pop in Northern Virginia more and more. With many who will work out of DC, and we aren't talking Republicans.

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    Re: Election night 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Here's a great post about what Election night '13 tells us;

    What Will Tonight Tell Us? The Dish

    Main quote:

    "But we know already what tonight will tell us: the GOP is fracturing deeply, the internal contradictions of the Southern Strategy have begun to emerge as insurmountable, and the party is in danger of becoming a protest vote by seniors alarmed at the new multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-faith America being born and with little credibility in actual governance. Christie is their hope but the way he divides his party is also their predicament."
    You're delusional.

    Your Chicago politicians had to fund a third-party candidate to barely eek out a victory you should have won in a relative landslide. Meanwhile, Christie won by historical proportions again in one of the bluest states in the nation.

    Last night was a referendum on Obamacare, and you failed. The tide has tipped strongly toward the GOP, and that will play out next fall, especially after the abortion of this catastrophe really shows its ass.

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    Re: Election night 2013

    My quick post-election thoughts:

    The Christie re-election demonstrates that Republicans can be competitive on a national basis. To do so, GOP candidates need to win a broad share of voters (generally centrist voters, as well as conservative ones). Such positioning will cost GOP candidates a narrow slice of conservative voters (the Tea Party faction), but it will bring them far more additional voters than the small number they will lose. Christie provided an example of how to put together winning coalitions in an electorate in which Democratic voters outnumber Republican ones.

    The false narrative that “RINOs” [fill in the name of any recent losing GOP Presidential candidate] were the reason the Republicans could not win national elections was proved false. Again. GOP candidates lost those races, because they were unable to build and/or articulate policy positions that appealed to an increasingly diverse electorate based on the exit poll results. In that evolving electorate, women and Latino voters play a larger role.

    The narrative, popular on the airwaves but false, is merely an attempt at denial. It is an effort to avoid considering the possibility of reform in some areas, flexibility in others, and a willingness to at least try to understand differences to meet the ever changing needs of the electorate. The narrative was tested. Two pragmatic Republicans (Governor Christie and NY's Westchester County Executive Rob Astorino) prevailed in electorates in which the “degree of difficulty” for Republicans is relatively high given voter registration numbers. In contrast, the two uncompromising Tea Party candidates (Ken Cuccinelli in the Virginia Governor’s race and Dean Young in the Alabama GOP primary for the 1st Congressional District) were defeated. The close margin in Virginia was not the result of a lack of national GOP support. It was the result of the combination of a badly flawed Democratic Party nominee and rough opening to the Affordable Care Act, a combination that would have propelled any credible GOP candidate to victory.

    Three lessons from the 2013 elections are:

    1. Governance, which requires a degree of pragmatism to build agreement and is measured by concrete outcomes, trumps loud posturing over ideology and unyielding rigidity.

    2. Candidates can articulate positions on social values issues (both Christie and Astorino are right to life, for example), but a measure of restraint to respect the honest differences that exist on such fundamental issues will help them build winning coalitions; an aggressive crusading approach that favors state intervention to coerce outcomes will fragment the electorate leading to narrower appeal for such candidates.

    3. At the State level, the GOP is building a roster of viable national candidates. The same cannot be said for some those coming out of the Senate, a number of whom led or supported a disastrous no-win fight over the ACA with little regard for the economic, political, or fiscal fallout and whom have accomplished little in the way of concrete results (unlike the governors in question). At the end of the day, results matter; excuses for a lack of results don’t.

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    Re: Election night 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Course I would look into the money areas. That's where McAuliffe should be check out and looked into deeply. McAuliffe would be an Excellent Candidate for Corruption. It just permeates the air all around him.
    Just about any credible GOP candidate would have defeated him on account of his flaws and the rough start to the Affordable Care Act (ACA). VA is not a blue state. The State GOP has only itself to blame for allowing an uncompetitive candidate to represent the party (the LG candidate was even worse). The GOP could and should have won this seat.

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    Re: Election night 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Problem is the top 5 seats being Democratic.....not just McAuliffe. Moreover they will continue to increase pop in Northern Virginia more and more. With many who will work out of DC, and we aren't talking Republicans.
    It still doesn't matter. The Legislature still controls the legislative process. McAuliffe can ask for all he wants but the bills still need to pass through state congress.

    Also, Virginia Governor is a one term deal. McAuliffe will likely finish his term having changed nothing in the state.
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    Re: Election night 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Just about any credible GOP candidate would have defeated him on account of his flaws and the rough start to the Affordable Care Act (ACA). VA is not a blue state. The State GOP has only itself to blame for allowing an uncompetitive candidate to represent the party (the LG candidate was even worse). The GOP could and should have won this seat.
    I normally am very impressed by your reasoning Don, but in this one you show a significant one sided look at the situation and an amazingly unfamiliar undersetanding of Virginia, it's demographics, and the issues facing the state. My computer's having issues at the moment with formatting, not allowing returns to be shown...so I'm going to ear mark this for a response later. But you're coming at an extremely multi-dimensional issue from a SINUGULARLY one directional fashion that simply uses information that helps to confirm your already decided upon conclussion and ignoring facts and information regarding the state and the race that conflict with it.

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    Re: Election night 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It still doesn't matter. The Legislature still controls the legislative process. McAuliffe can ask for all he wants but the bills still need to pass through state congress.

    Also, Virginia Governor is a one term deal. McAuliffe will likely finish his term having changed nothing in the state.
    And like Quinn.....he will go into court and freeze their pay.

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    Re: Election night 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    With many who will work out of DC, and we aren't talking Republicans.
    Why do you think Republicans would not live there and work out of DC? That's what many of them do, Republican and Dems.

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    Re: Election night 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Just about any credible GOP candidate would have defeated him on account of his flaws and the rough start to the Affordable Care Act (ACA). VA is not a blue state. The State GOP has only itself to blame for allowing an uncompetitive candidate to represent the party (the LG candidate was even worse). The GOP could and should have won this seat.
    Mornin DS. Well I agree with you and I do agree with you that they hold the blame. As if all would have united, Tea Party and all, I believe they would have won it, narrowly or by a very slight margin. Virginia demographics will continue, IMO to turn blue.

    Even other Democrats should have ran McAuliffe out.....or chased him out. Telling him he don't know anything about the state nor its politics. Wanna donate.....great, can use the money. Other than that.....hit the road jack.

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