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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    That has NOTHING to do with ObamaCare and everything to do with the products being offered. The insurance marketplace is a MARKET. Providers of insuracne products have to compete for the dollars of the consumer. Insurers have historically (and will in the future) contract with hospitals to take there insurance. Hospitals, like any business, want customers. They will contract with insurance companies that produce those customers. There is nothing in particular about Obama care products that keep a hospital from that particular discrimination.

    The premise of this thread is a giant fail as there is no reason for an insurance company to "opt out of Obamacare".... In the case of Ohio, no insurance companies offering products on the Obamacare websites have suitable relationships with the healthcare providers. The market is new; the products are new and not all insurance companies are participating. Just another pre-mature poster trying to declare a national election based on the first three voters.
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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    That has NOTHING to do with ObamaCare and everything to do with the products being offered. The insurance marketplace is a MARKET. Providers of insuracne products have to compete for the dollars of the consumer. Insurers have historically (and will in the future) contract with hospitals to take there insurance. Hospitals, like any business, want customers. They will contract with insurance companies that produce those customers. There is nothing in particular about Obama care products that keep a hospital from that particular discrimination.

    The premise of this thread is a giant fail as there is no reason for an insurance company to "opt out of Obamacare".... In the case of Ohio, no insurance companies offering products on the Obamacare websites have suitable relationships with the healthcare providers. The market is new; the products are new and not all insurance companies are participating. Just another pre-mature poster trying to declare a national election based on the first three voters.
    You spent a lot of time talking about insurance companies and not about the OP premise that PROVIDERS are opting out or simply choosing not to attempt to panel for the ACA exchange programs. What you prove is you dont know nor do you care about anything relevant or factual when it comes to providers and Obamacare, merely defending it at all costs.

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, I know they did. But the reality was that even with a super majority, there wasn't even a majority of Democrats that were willing to ge ton board at that time with a Public Option. Which was kind of my point...this was an attempt for a middle ground that is extremely ineffective because it bipolar in nature, with the philosophies within it conflicting with each other rather than accentuating each other. It's a transitional law that's undoubtably likely to fail in a variety of ways setting the stage for another battle for a Single Payer system or full on Market focused reform.
    We may actually luck out, and find there is gold in all this bull**** called the ACA. It could turn out as doctors and employers opt out of the ACA system, things may revert to the way they were before WW2 were health care was mostly a cash business. It seems to be catching on in my county anyhow. I have also seen in the news similar happing in other places as well. We have 2 cash only practices set up and they are VASTLY less expensive then normal practices. There used to be only one, but now there are from what I understand a couple more that will be starting up soon. It seems from what I understand talking to my doctor about his practice,(he took over from my old doctor who died, he was the only cash only practice in the county for some time.) is that he actually makes quite a bit more money and has much more time to spend with patients and for himself. The discounts they are able to secure with x-rays and prescription drugs is quite frankly amazing. 24 bucks for an x-ray, and similar discounts for lab work and other diagnostics. 68 bucks a month gets me access to a doctor anytime I wish to see them as many times as necessary. If I don't want to do monthly the price to see the doctor is 82 bucks. About the only thing my doctor doesn't cover is major surgery and cancers.
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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You spent a lot of time talking about insurance companies and not about the OP premise that PROVIDERS are opting out or simply choosing not to attempt to panel for the ACA exchange programs. What you prove is you dont know nor do you care about anything relevant or factual when it comes to providers and Obamacare, merely defending it at all costs.
    You really missed the point (and perhaps do not understand the ACA program). The ACA marketplace sells insurance products. Healthcare providers (hospitals) contract with the insurance companies, not with the healthcare consumer. Healthcare providers are not on the ACA marketplace nor was it the intention they would be.

    Healthcare providers do not opt in nor opt out of Obamacare; insurance companies do.

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You really missed the point (and perhaps do not understand the ACA program). The ACA marketplace sells insurance products. Healthcare providers (hospitals) contract with the insurance companies, not with the healthcare consumer. Healthcare providers are not on the ACA marketplace nor was it the intention they would be.

    Healthcare providers do not opt in nor opt out of Obamacare; insurance companies do.
    And in order to make the policies anywhere near affordable, which that is up for debate itself, the insurance companies need to restrict who you can see.

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Why am I surprised that top hospitals can even opt out of taking patients with obamacare policies? For exactly the reason I strongly oppose obamacare. Because it is an attempt by government to gain control over our health care and our choices. Please tell me you can understand this concept.
    Allowing hospitals to choose which plans it accepts is an attempt by govt to gain control over your health care?
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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And in order to make the policies anywhere near affordable, which that is up for debate itself, the insurance companies need to restrict who you can see.
    ... while that may be true, at least you understand issue. Healthcare providers are NOT in the marketplace and never were intended to be, insurance companies are (granted, there are companies like Kaiser that sell health insurance AND provide, but they sell the INSURANCE on the market)....

    But, the marketplace has a range of products (bronze, silver, gold)... not every product in the marketplace need be inexpensive. It's a market (as in free enterprise)... suppliers will offer the best product to compete for consumer dollars (and have a range of options so the needs of those willing to spend money will be satisfied). The consumers will look for the best product to meet their needs at the best cost. As in any market, providers will try to maximize price; consumers will seek value... the market dynamics determine what is...... this marketplace in not sufficiently mature to really understand what types of products (and how extensive provider network will be) and at what cost.

    People should actually go to the marketplace to see what this about.

    Here is Colorado's, which works: Connect for Health Colorado | Colorado's Health Insurance Marketplace

    Its clear from the preponderance of posts on this thread that people are merely arguing from ignorance. Healthcare providers (hospitals and doctors) do not offer products in the marketplace and do not opt in or out of Obamacare.....

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You really missed the point (and perhaps do not understand the ACA program). The ACA marketplace sells insurance products. Healthcare providers (hospitals) contract with the insurance companies, not with the healthcare consumer. Healthcare providers are not on the ACA marketplace nor was it the intention they would be.

    Healthcare providers do not opt in nor opt out of Obamacare; insurance companies do.
    Healthcare providers have demonstrated that they arent planning on attempting to panel for ACA programs. Do you understand the provider/paneling process? It is a pain in the ass by itself. The worst of the processes is the Medicare/Medicaid paneling which is why, shockingly, many providers are not Medicare/Medicaid providers.

    You WANT so desperately for what you say to be true.

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Healthcare providers have demonstrated that they arent planning on attempting to panel for ACA programs. Do you understand the provider/paneling process? It is a pain in the ass by itself. The worst of the processes is the Medicare/Medicaid paneling which is why, shockingly, many providers are not Medicare/Medicaid providers.

    You WANT so desperately for what you say to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So the spin this time is "Don't worry folks! You wouldn't get into those top performing hospitals anyway! Mediocre is in!"
    That used to be Michelle Obama's job as a Judas goat. To convince poor African-Americans not to go to the hospital's ER, but instead to a small clinic, for which she was paid a 6 figure salary.

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