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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The ER waits will be greatly offset by the availability of a clinic or primary care, as opposed to now when they have no choice.
    According the navigators, if they cant find an available local provider (and there arent a ton of those in the works) then their 'solution' is pay cash for the office visit or go to the ER. Thats just a reality right now.

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    It is disappointing Obama did not go for the UHC from the start.
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    At what rates?

    This system is designed to fail. And it will. The failure will be used as the 'cause' for promoting universal health care which has been their intent all along.
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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm not sure how in the hell you ever determined that I support Obamacare even one little bit. I'd say you don't pay much attention around here, if this is the case.
    then why is it surprised? why didn't you know about it? it was told by republicans time and time again they even wrote a bill to try to keep this from happening and it was voted down by the dems in the senate all the dems in lock step

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It is disappointing Obama did not go for the UHC from the start.
    At least it would have been honest.

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    then why is it surprised? why didn't you know about it? it was told by republicans time and time again they even wrote a bill to try to keep this from happening and it was voted down by the dems in the senate all the dems in lock step
    Why am I surprised that top hospitals can even opt out of taking patients with obamacare policies? For exactly the reason I strongly oppose obamacare. Because it is an attempt by government to gain control over our health care and our choices. Please tell me you can understand this concept.
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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Well but they wanted a public option all along, and fell just short of the votes for it in the senate.
    Oh, I know they did. But the reality was that even with a super majority, there wasn't even a majority of Democrats that were willing to ge ton board at that time with a Public Option. Which was kind of my point...this was an attempt for a middle ground that is extremely ineffective because it bipolar in nature, with the philosophies within it conflicting with each other rather than accentuating each other. It's a transitional law that's undoubtably likely to fail in a variety of ways setting the stage for another battle for a Single Payer system or full on Market focused reform.

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Well but they wanted a public option all along, and fell just short of the votes for it in the senate. The bill that passed the house would have been actual reform that could conceivably work. Perhaps that will be along the lines of how it ends up.
    and now do you think the American people will trust government to control all of health care when they cant even get a simple consumer web site to work after over 3 years and hundreds of millions of dollars

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It is disappointing Obama did not go for the UHC from the start.
    Even with a super majority in the Congress he just didn't have the votes to get such passed. He knew that, and knew it well in advance, having stated previously that it would need to be a multi-year process to get the public into a point where it'd accepted and welcome a Single Payer system as the primary means of health care in the country

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Why am I surprised that top hospitals can even opt out of taking patients with obamacare policies? For exactly the reason I strongly oppose obamacare. Because it is an attempt by government to gain control over our health care and our choices. Please tell me you can understand this concept.
    you being a self proclaimed libertarian you should not have to ask that question why doctors should be forced to accept Obama care insurance and or Medicare/Medicaid

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    Re: Top hospitals opt out of ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    you being a self proclaimed libertarian you should not have to ask that question
    I always question. To do otherwise is to bury you head in the sand.
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