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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sorry, but it is fact that conservatism allowed for the children to work in factories. I never stated any of the further idiocracies you listed, but sorry you don't like the fact conservatism isn't perfect.
    Have I proclaimed it to be perfect? Find the post anywhere.
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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Have I proclaimed it to be perfect? Find the post anywhere.
    Where did I claim you actually said it was perfect? Try again, you'll get the hang of it sooner or later since you want to play word games.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    All of that would be fine and dandy if I were arguing that liberal good, conservative bad, but I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing against that conservatism is good and liberalism bad. I'm well aware that BOTH liberalism and conservatism have their ugly points in history as well as good.

    My whole argument is that liberalism AND conservatism are needed for a successful country. Next time you want to chime in, at least know what the argument is.
    You claimed a clear statement about the history of Liberalism was "opinion". It wasn't. It was fact.
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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You claimed a clear statement about the history of Liberalism was "opinion". It wasn't. It was fact.
    No, the interpretation was in fact OPINION and not fact.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Now... take a little test and show us your ignorance or lack thereof:
    HistoryTest | National Black Republican Association
    Even though it was explained that all the answers were 'B' it's likely that the low infos still got it all wrong.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    He's actually reciting history to you. There isn't any opinion there. The Progressive movement took a HUGE public opinion hit following WWII as many of the Progressive movements glitterati were Soviet and Nazi sympathizers before the war. The ideology was much the same as the growing socialist movements in Europe at the time, but felt the US was not ready for the kind of wholesale change happening in Russia and Germany. Therefor they hatched the "Progressive" movement that was meant to move the US incrementally towards the same ultimate goals.

    But following the outcome of the Third Reich, and the growing conflict between the Soviets and the US, as well as the collapse of the Eugenics movement in the US, "progressive" became a dirty word. They co-opted the name "Liberal", and they carried many of the same ideologies with them. Abortion rights is nothing more than the Remanence of the Eugenics movement, pushed by all the same Eugenics supporters right through Roe-v-Wade.

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    Quite right. And the propaganda of those days are still being taught today. Even now, despite the collapse of the USSR (though not of the idea of communism) and the releasing of the Venona Papers, there are still millions of Americans who believe their country was the bad guy in all of these Cold War confrontations despite the tens of millions of deaths committed by the communists. This propaganda lives on with the idea that 'liberals' fought for freedoms while the conservatives denied them.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Your OPINION noted and discarded.
    its not an opinion - it's basic history, dude.

    The unwillingness of the Left to study their own intellectual history never ceases to amaze me. As a conservative, I'm really interested in conservative intellectual history, but man, for some reason pre-1950 no liberal wants to talk about it. Go read Dewey's "The Future of Liberalism", where he is very explicit about the fact that he is changing "Liberalism" into a new creation from the "old liberalism" (which was bad, and let people run around free doing whatever they wanted and therefore failing) and the "New Liberalism" (which was good because it involved direction by experts so that people would be provided for and kept from making self-destructive decisions). He very deliberately and explicitly took the Liberalism of the 18th and 19th Centuries, which was built around negative rights, and flipped it on its head.

    Why do you think that the Liberal Party in Britain was the one that went around preaching free trade and all that?

    I can understand why you think that way since you think conservatism = all good and liberalism = all bad.
    That is false. For example, in Europe conservatism has typically been the famous "Throne and Church" model, whose premises I reject. In the U.S., Conservatism has been dedicated (generally) to preserving the Classic Liberalism of our Founding, while modern liberalism (formerly and sometimes now as well Progressivism) has been dedicated (generally) to arguing that Classic Liberalism is inadequate because it lacks a strong central guiding competent authority.

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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You again are making the falacy of thinking Dem = Liberal and Republican = conservatism. That is flat out false, we are talking liberalism and conservatism here. Conservatives fought to keep blacks and women from voting, liberals did not.

    Keep up son, you're failing.
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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You again are making the falacy of thinking Dem = Liberal and Republican = conservatism. That is flat out false, we are talking liberalism and conservatism here. Conservatives fought to keep blacks and women from voting, liberals did not.

    Keep up son, you're failing.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not saying Obama lied about this is NOT defending Obama or his policies. I have stated flat out that no matter what he is responsible for the people he put in charge of getting the ACA rolled out.

    You have this idea that if I don't believe YOUR rhetoric of "he lied" that somehow means I am FOR Obama and FOR the ACA. That is a fallacy on your part, not mine. I also don't believe he is a super secret Muslim hell bent on destsroying America, so in your eyes that must mean I agree with him and his policies

    Grow up.
    You state one thing and then backtrack... that's why you did what you did when quoting my post.
    You couldn't let it stand as an example of revealing your inconsistencies.
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    Re: Obama's health promises backfire

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You again are making the falacy of thinking Dem = Liberal and Republican = conservatism. That is flat out false, we are talking liberalism and conservatism here. Conservatives fought to keep blacks and women from voting, liberals did not.

    Keep up son, you're failing.
    Ignoring the education offered you I see about Blacks, women's rights and the Republican record.
    As you were.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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